JoJo , you are funny.
now go watch CNN.
Zotti, we’re still waiting for you to splain.
akrako1 , I really don’t think there could’ve bene a conspiracy. Theres just too many people who would’ve talked.
On a side note, I just finished David’s book Children of the Matrix, and he mentions some people actually come to his appearances dressed in reptile costumes.
Funny!
Are you sure they were just costumes?
hah!
Well, he says they threw pies at him, and calls them immature and rude, so…guess he can tell the difference between a real shape-shifter and a costume!
bump
Ah Ah. Wake Up Call is here to make sure you do not continue to sleep.
I think I have a scenario that would simultaneously answer the OP, and would not only satisfy akako1’s suspicions, but it would also stimulate some thinking on the part of Phoenix Dragon, Janx and Marley23. Here we go:
The OP asks “Has Osama bin Laden ever made a public statement ANYWHERE where he says that he and his organization are responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks?” Then when Walloon posted the link to CNN transcript, the OP became convinced that OBL took responsibility for 911 attacks. But the OP (Spiff) should note that (1) The video was released by the US Dept. of Defense – thus its authenticity for public consumption is questionable, and (2) The very portion that convinced Walloon, was inaudible. IMO, the OP’s question is still a valid one, and so far, I have not seen any convincing evidence that OBL and his organization have taken responsibility for planning and execution of 9/11. Saying that non-claim is Al Qaida’s modus-operandi is a mere fallacy of sweeping generalization. If there was a message to be sent by the perpetrators, 9/11 would have been the event to relay their message.
1- Since OBL and his Al Qaida have not made a clear cut claim/responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, it is only natural for some people to start thinking who else could have possibly been behind 9/11 if OBL wasn’t. It is like the OJ Simpson debacle. If he didn’t do it, then who did? The court exonerated OJ. So, should the search for the real killer go on? If not, why not? If he did it, why is he a free man?
2- That is where the uncomfortable feelings of people like akako1 emanate. So, you start hearing all kinds of speculations and “conspiracy theories”. IMO, the stories of remote control and Bush designs are a bunch of BS. Phoenix Dragon and Marley23 clearly demonstrated in their arguments above why such theories are indeed a bunch of BS. But akako1 still has a point. If OBL was not behind 9/11, who could be and for what reason?
3- OK. Let’s buy the official government explanation that there were indeed a bunch of Arab terrorists that hijacked the planes and used them as missiles. The uncomfortable feeling is whether “some people” in the government were aware of it beforehand, and maliciously did not stop it. Now, why and how could that happen?
4- Here is a pure speculation with no proof or cite to support it – yet. If the hijackers were indeed a bunch of Arabs with suicide bomber mentality, could they have been bought (set-up) to carry-on what they did under the name of Allah (to go to heaven)? Beside OBL, what other entity could have recruited them, and possibly help them, or at least not stop them, to “successfully” carry out the atrocity they committed? After all, some entities/agencies are known to recruit adversaries or professional killers to carry out certain operations. It didn’t necessarily have to be OBL sending his Al Qaida operatives to carry on the 9/11, otherwise he would be likely to take responsibility for it to get his message across. Could it have been some other entity that did the planning, the recruiting and the assisting. As far as the hijackers were concerned, they were on a suicide mission for the cause of Allah. They probably never knew who the real bosses were. If this speculation could possibly be true, then the key questions become: What entity/agency did this and for what purpose.
5- As for the entity/agency, obviously it must have been an entity that understands Muslim suicide bombers mentality, how to motivate them do what they did, and what it takes to recruit them. IMHO, OBL’s organization is not the only entity that could do this. To zero on the identity of the possible non-OBL entities behind 9/11, we need to look for the possible purpose(s) of committing such an atrocity, other than OBL’s anti-American rhetoric.
6- Half way at the top of page 3 of this thread, akako1 gave 6 possible reasons. As a Wake up Call, we need to elaborate/add to those reasons, or to present arguments to refute them. If we don’t, IMHO the nagging feeling about the reasons behind the 9/11 will continue.
Please offer a citation for this allegation that it was inaudible.
Also please address the exultant admission by one of Osama bin Laden’s closest aides, in al-Qaida’s biweekly Internet magazine, Al-Ansar, in February 2002 that al-Qaida was behind the Sept. 11 attacks:
There has been no denial issued by al-Qaida since that publication. There has also been no denial issued by al-Qaida of the authenticity of the tape of Osama bin Laden found in November 2001.
Also, deputy Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has revealed that 9/11 was supposed to have ten planes , and be accompanied by attacks in Asia and Singapore.
We know who did it. We know why.
OK. Here is the transcript of the video.
Note that there are 12 instances of …inaudible… occuring at the middle of the alleged UBL remarks.
Also, the whole transcript preceded by the following two comments:
1- “Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim transcript of every word spoken”.
2- The video was released by the US Department of Defense.
I don’t know how much you know about the advanced state of digital image and audio processing at the Pentagon Labs. But I assure you they can easily produce any kind of audio-visual queues they want you to see or hear.
I am sure you saw all those images that Collin Powel used as WMD evidence at the UN to convince everyone about the legitimacy of invading Iraq. Well, I am sorry to disappoint you, but people take any audio or visual effects released by the Pentagon with a grain of salt.
I actually saw the Bin Laden video clip on the US propaganda channels. It was totally inaudible. And there was no proof when was it taken. For all I know, Bin Laden could have been talking to his friends about making bakery.
You will note while the word “(inaudible)” appears occasionally in the transcript, it does not occur in the transcript of the following sentences, from Osama bin Laden:
I know, I know, it’s the government. But do you actually have any evidence or reason to believe the tape is fake?
Al Qaeda is responsible for the September 11th attacks, the USS Cole bombing, the Bali nightclub, and the attacks on the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, among others. They’ve never issued a statement taking credit for those. So we’re not talking about a fallacy, it’s a pattern of behavior. As far as relaying the message goes- with terrorism, the medium is the message. It’s “do what we want or we’ll kill you.” Bin Laden has made any number of video and audio tapes stating what he wants the United States and the West to do. There’s no ambiguity about the message.
It’s reasonable until you evaluate the evidence, which points squarely to them. The fact that they haven’t taken responsibility doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.
:smack: You don’t understand the court system. OJ was found “not guilty,” which means the jury didn’t think the prosecution proved he did it beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean he’s innocent, or that there was a reason to think anyone else did it. I’m sure if any evidence that there was another killer turns up, someone will investigate.
If 2+2 didn’t make 4, what could it be? I still don’t see any reason to suspect anybody else, so the question of ‘who could be’ is academic at best.
That’s not “the official government explanation.” It’s also the explanation given by the “bunch of Arab terrorists” themselves. 
We’re getting hypotheticals up the wazoo here. Yes, we know that the administration knew Al Qaeda might want to hijack jets and crash them into buildings. Have you got any evidence that they allowed it to happen, much less planned it? You don’t, and as far as I can see, nobody does - because that isn’t what happened.
Hmm, who would know how to do that. How about… an Islamic terrorist group!
Who else? Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, a few other groups. They all do similar things. If you’re going to suggest it was Mossad or the American government, I’d say they come in lower on the list… and of course, you’ve admitted this is just speculation with nothing to back it up.
That’s how these theories generally work: your post is a series of conditions (“if something happened, then why?”). You never examine whether there’s reason to believe any of the things you include. And lo and behold, there isn’t reason to believe them. Nothing even starts the chain, let alone connecting the links.
Man, there are still people who don’t think the HOLOCAUST happened. A nagging feeling can be dispelled by evidence and reason. Most of this junk can’t because people have decided they’ll believe what they want to and to hell with the facts.
As far as akrako1’s reasons the government staged September 11th - frankly, I think I’ve answered most of these already.
Despite what this post says, few people were deported. And if the attacks were staged to get the USA PATRIOT act passed, it was a stunning display of ineptitude. I explained why earlier.
These aren’t three separate reasons, they’re one reason in three parts: OIL. Yes, Halliburton will get rich from oil and it has ties to the government. Although Cheney had to resign from the company to become VP, so he’s not making money from this right now. Also, Iraq’s oil infrastructure is a complete mess and won’t be a major cash cow for years, and it’ll be costly to fix (and protect from bombings. The administration overestimated the capacity of the aging system - a stupid move from such a fiendishly smart conspiracy. :dubious:
They were going away anyway, I’m sad to say. But the election was in November 2000, and this attack was YEARS in the planning. (Khalid Mohammed said the idea originated in about '96.) How do you explain that? There’s no way this idea could’ve been concocted and executed in the span of less than a year.
Yeah, it is. Of course, that climate is pretty much gone at the moment, so why hasn’t there been another attack?
Back to Wake Up Call’s post for a minute.
Leaving aside what I already said, this was NOT such a unique idea. Chris Carter had it (and used it on the pilot of The Lone Gunmen). The Columbine shooters apparently had it (and wrote it in their diaries). I had this idea earlier than either of them; I used to have waking nightmares about a jetplane crashing into my grandmother’s apartment building as I stood in it, and that was a decade ago or more.
I have DishNetwork. I don’t see USPTV on my channel guide. What numbers would I tune my receiver to to get the US propaganda channels? Or must I subscribe to cable? Are they on broadcast tv? If so, what channel(s) are they on?
:rolleyes:
Seriously though, I think you need a course in semantics OR a good dictionary. You may learn to read FIRST in order to USE the dictionary. :wally
I do now realize that the whole “government did it” was a bit illogical.
Not that they don’t do other things…
I’m still waiting for Ed Zotti to come and explain.
Seems like Ed was thanking him for contributing something toward that specific article, not lending creedence to Icke’s general looniness.
Well, Ed should be a little more careful!
But this thread mayprove that looking at something logically is the best way to go.
Look, folks, it’s easy to disprove akrako1’s theory that the Bush Administration was behind the 9/11 attacks…
If the Bush Administration wanted to frame anybody for 9/11, they’d have framed Saddam Hussein! No need to diddle with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the UN, just march straight into Baghdad! 
But since the hijackers were cited as Saudis, not Iraqis, ergo the Bush Administration was not behind 9/11.
rjung: Game, set, match.
Ah. Except that Bush himself was/is a mere pawn.
Of course Bush had nothing to do with it. No more than Ronald Reagan had anything to do with Iran-Contra while he was dozing.
George W. Bush relegated/delegated everything to his PNAC cronies while he dozed off. The PNAC cronies had some influential friends with their own agenda.
Let’s talk about what Israel had to gain from all of this.
While 70% of Americans are in deep sleep, thinking that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, let a Wake up Call make them realize that the US Propaganda channels mainly consist of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox and most of the Talk Radio channels. You only need cable to get CNN and Fox.