This is silly. The fallacies of composition and division are quite easy to recognize once you realize how, and quite easy to avoid once you recognize them. Racism, prejudice, bigotry… they all become literally un-thinkable without fallacious reasoning.
That’s part of why finding someone who is prejudiced is a significant thing. If everybody is prejudiced then it’s unremarkable, understandable and unexceptional. If prejudice is an aberration, then it’s worth taking note of and calling out.
Obligatory response: Everyone’s a little bit racist.
Kind of a funny bit, haven’t seen that in a while. But on a serious note, I generally find that “everybody is [ ]” is a way that people who are can try to spread around their condition.
Someone who says “everybody will steal if they get the chance,” well we know that they’re a thief and are trying to mentally excuse it/lessen their individual culpability. Same with “everybody will cheat and their romantic partner sooner or later” or what have you.
While prejudice, bigotry and racism are vestiges of humanity’s past, they aren’t universal and they aren’t inexorable. It isn’t as if proper, rational perception is beyond us as a species. It’s only beyond some people as individuals.
Yes, exactly. I thank you. And the hamsters thank you.
I’ll quote myself from that thread:
The biological concept of race does not support the claims of racists.
Of all the threads on this board, THIS is the one that gives me G.I. Joe flashbacks?
Clearly you need to use Sgt. Slaughter for your Caucasian (the animated one, not the flabby-ass pro wrestler)
You may wish to sit before I tell you this, but a significant portion of the world’s population does not sit around combing through its thought processes in search of logical fallacies.
Startling, I know. When I first learned this, I dropped my calabash pipe and nearly fell out of the mahogany library chair in my reading room.
I think that I could be persuaded to be racist against whatever ethnic group Serpentor was a member of.
Of course. A great many people are very stupid. But that doesn’t mean everybody is, let alone that it’s particularly difficult to inculcate an appreciation of just how wrong the fallacies of composition and division are.
You’re allowed to call someone a racist in teh BBQ pit.
I suspect you are correct regarding the idea that there will be a constellation of genes. I suspect you are incorrect that they will code for predisposition to engage in crime.
First, it is almost certainly the case that a constellation of genes will code for each of a constellation of brain function processes that themselves will interact with environmental factors to yield individual differences in likelihood to engage in crime.
Criminal behavior is indisputably itself quite heterogeneous. There are varied types and severities. I might have no qualms about speeding, but still be very unlikely to commit homicide. I might not have any problem fudging my personal income taxes, but may still refuse to engage in insider trading.
Genes likely code for processes underlying impulse control, or ability to engage in problem solving, or ability to take others’ perspective, or ability to perceive others’ emotional states, or ability to respond empathically to others’ emotional states, or tendency to employ a hostile attribution bias to one’s interpretation of others’ behavior, or tendency to feel irritable, and so on and so forth to dozens or hundreds of different functional processes related to the ultimate manifestation of criminal behavior. But, this ultimate manifestation will also only express itself after interaction with environmental factors (parenting, family environment, socioeconomic environment, peer relationships, etc).
Thus, I don’t think it will ever be as simple as you envision that it will be to distinguish groups based on genotype. For instance, I think that features like limited perspective taking, callousness and impaired intellectual functioning will be observed (and genetically encoded for) amongst criminals. I also think that these will be observed and genetically encoded for amongst people who hold racist points of view.
What do we do when we find these genetic matches?
We should find out how New Deal Democrat feels about the criminal tendencies of Cobra-La residents as an ethnicity.
Damnit! although, given how mixed my heritage is, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have some Jewish ancestor. It’s just not possible to say with certainty like the others. Hell, given the Lemba, Ethiopian Jews, Chinese Jews and Indian Jews, I’d be a lot more surprised if I didn’t. Supervillainy is still a possible career move…but I don’t like fluffy white cats.
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How do you feel about sharks with lasers?
You can tell if you probably have The Jew Gene. First, ask yourself if you have an uncontrollable urge to scheme, plot and/or connive. Then ask yourself if you feel the need to live in a country as a full citizen only so you can betray your own home to benefit other people with The Jew Gene. Then ask yourself if the thought of smoked salmon on a bagel with cream cheese and onions sounds good. If you answered yes to all these, you probably have The Jew Gene.
Cobras are obviously not as criminally dangerous as blacks. To start with they don’t rape every white woman they can get their hands on but, more importantly, they can’t shoot for shit with their fancy laser rifles while blacks, NDD tells us, are great at murder.
Shouldn’t there be something in there about subverting young people with movies and music? I hear your people are all over that one too.
Nemisis Enforcer scored poorly on standardized tests.
It’s not a characteristic exclusive to The Jewish Agenda though, see rap music and brokeback mountain.
Chief Pedant and Chen19 are not in New Dmocrat’s league. They hide behind factoids and accuse us of being unable to handle the uncomfortable truths about race in America. New Democtrat is just flat out racist.
cite please.
What? I need to go through all his posts a second time?
The facts are already well known. Its your interpretation of those facts that people take issue with.
Black children are largely born to single mothers and there is a high correlation between single parenthood and socioeconomic failure of teh black child. If you want to argue that the welfare state broke the bonds that held black families together, we can do that without insinuating that black men are naturally shiftless and prone to abandoning their children. That it is THIS phenomonen (laid squarely on teh shoulders of the black man) that is to blame for the break down of black society, then fine but there is reasearch that indicates that white children born to single mothers do not underachieve nearly as much as black children born to single mothers. Are the white mothers better mothers? Do they have better support systems? Are the biological white fathers more involved in some way that black biological fathers are not? Is it a chid support issue? Its really hard to just look at that factoid and then sneer at the inferior black population.
When presented with the differences in IQ at any given socioeconomic level, some people are willing to assume that the whole thing is attributable to current and historic racism which no study to date has been able to adequately take into account. Others assume that this IQ difference is genetic and this is an indication that not only are blacks inferior intellectually, they are unevloved in other ways (they are prone to violence and crime and all the other stuff that New Democrat associates with blacks) and the bleeding heartys are just making excuses for a population that needs to be held to the same standards as the rest of us, not a permissive atittude towards their unacceptable behaviour.