I agree with the rest of your post but just wanted to point out that KISS, Alice Cooper, or Ozzy Ozbounre, not to mention Deicide would laugh at this statement…
But, those guys had talent, and their shock value now looks silly and juvenile. What I’m saying is that the shock will not last, the music is what has to stand the test of time.
But, those guys had talent, and their shock value now looks silly and juvenile. What I’m saying is that the shock will not last, the music is what has to stand the test of time. **
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Absolutely right, IMHO.
Look at Ozzy before shock value – Black Sabbath’s “Paranoid” is a monumental work. Its release in 1970 was among the first albums to truly bring in hard rock. Biting the head off of a bat won’t be remembered in 50 years but Paranoid will be.
Still gotta dispute.
How many people remember Fatty Arbuckle for his coke bottle incident? How many remember him for his work on screen.
I rest my case.
Uhm…you can rest your case on that, but to me it’s pretty unrelated. I’m talking about the attempt of an artist to shock through a stage persona, and you’re referencing a marginally talented actor/comedian and a real life incident, which I might add, the general population does not remember. The Fatty Arbuckle incident is now a bit of Hollywood trivia, and it probably would actually go to prove my point now that I think about it. I’ll give you and example in the actor/comedian realm if you wish: Andrew Dice Clay. Almost all of his act consisted of shock humor, and has his work stood the test of time? Most people would now consider him to be a flash in the pan, and that is what I’m trying to say.
Shock value is all well and good, when it comes to shaking up the status quo, BUT, there must be an underlying amount of substance to back up the material, otherwise it is doomed to become dated. I think this applies not just to music, but to any other medium as well.
I agree. Case in point: Marilyn Manson.