New show: Forever

If they want to go for some real good drama, they should have her kill him (e.g. on accident, or because the alternative is worse, or something).

It’s the only primetime show I’m watching, which I suppose means it is certain to be cancelled.

That was my fear, but it recently picked up a back nine, getting a full 22 ep first season. I think it will coast on its charm, and the fact that other similar procedurals are waning.

I thought it was a bit early for a cheesecake episode with a dominatrix, and I was surprised my how easily Henry fell for Ms. Payne, but I enjoyed the episode.

I think they’re doing just the right amount of teasing about having Henry die in front of Jo. I wonder if the way she finally finds out will be intentional on Henry’s part.

I liked that we got to see a little backstory on Abe, who seems to have managed a relatively normal life. I was sad about the way Nora turned out, but seriously, what did Henry expect when he threatened to kill himself in front of her? And how would he have known he’d come back to life a second time?

We don’t know what happened between Henry falling off the ship after being shot and arriving home to Nora. He might have died more than once along the way.

I had a thought - how did Abe find out about Henry’s immortality? I can’t see his parents telling him at age 8 or whatever, but at some point Abe had to find out. That would be an interesting bit of backstory, now wouldn’t it?

I think on a certain level Henry wants be able to share his secret. Keeping something like that, along with his long experience, hidden all the time has to be wearing on a person. He would also like to be accepted for who and what he is, just like the rest of us. A lot of his closeness to Abe is because Abe knows and accepts his secret. Abe knows this, that’s why he worries what will happen to Henry when he’s gone - not only will Henry (again) lose someone he cares about, but who will Henry call when he resurrects buck naked and needs a ride home? Not to mention all the other little bits, where Henry can freely reminisce without needing to fudge how he knows things from long ago, and just be himself.

Of course, Jo being still in mourning over a husband who suddenly dropped dead puts her in a particularly vulnerable place in regards to Henry, since he would be a “safe” guy to get involved with as he won’t stay dead. No matter what, he’ll always come back. Yeah, saw that coming the first episode, and it could work, but a lot depends on the execution of the plot.

I assumed that Abe found out one of the times that Henry had to leave when someone figured out his secret. When Adam called Henry was in a panic to leave, and Abe stopped him, saying how tired he was of moving all the time.

Of course, he could also notice at some point that mom is getting older but dad isn’t.

Interesting! I hadn’t thought of that angle.

It must have been quite a struggle to get back home from the mid-Atlantic, so presumably he’s aware he doesn’t stay dead. However, he might not know where he’ll be when he revives.

A better question is, why would the authorities haul him off on the unsupported word of his wife? His plaintive “I trusted you!” (shout out to Andy Kaufman) as he’s being taken very strongly implies that he didn’t tell anyone else, and they wouldn’t even do that today, after all the progress in equality of the sexes, so they surely wouldn’t have done it back then.

He may have been acting oddly in other ways as well. I can’t imagine but that getting shot, thrown overboard into the Atlantic, reviving somewhere else (did he even know how to swim at that point? It wasn’t a common skill back then), and somehow having to get home would have been traumatizing for anyone.

I expect from the moment he first resurrected he would be an “odd duck” anywhere he went after that just from mental trauma alone.

I’ve known women who would not consider that a positive.

Power of plot?

If I may be permitted some fanwanking, the asylum director seemed awfully friendly to Nora while Henry was getting carted away. I could see a less than honorable asylum director thinking this was a great way to get rid of the husband so he could get in Nora’s skirts. Perhaps he had planned on the same when Henry was presumed dead, and was looking forward to a little ‘revenge’.

Given the house in the country he and Nora had, with their own family plot and acres of land, plus the fact that Henry could afford to study to be a doctor, points to the Morgan family being quite well off. Wouldn’t rich people have had the free time to learn how to swim even if it wasn’t common among the commoners?

Free time? Sure. But swimming simply was not a common skill. Wading into a gentle stream or river as a form of bathing, yes, even the oceanside, but actual swimming was pretty rare, certainly anything more than a dogpaddle-capable person would have been quite rare.

Remember, this was the era when most bodies of water were used as sewers at some point along their route, it’s not like bathing was particularly healthy. No chlorinated pools or anything of the sort.

So, yeah, maybe he could swim back then but even among navy personnel and bargemen swimming was a rare skill.

Also, there weren’t medical schools back then for the most part, doctors usually learned through an apprenticeship system. A very few universities might have offered medical courses but for most doctors it was on-the-job training with an established physician as teacher.

Isn’t Abe is Henry’s adopted son? He found him in a concentration camp as a baby and his then gf suggested he raise the child, according to a flashback in ep two, iirc.

They did a similar bit in New Amsterdam, wherein the lead’s septuagenarian confidante was his son.

His wife’s family is rich, and rich people could more or less commit anyone if they paid for it.

His wife’s family is rich, and rich people could more or less commit anyone if they paid for it.

(and no, it’s not a “shout out”).

Re: Lucas

I’ve liked Dr Colin Fisher for years, but I have some questions about him on this show.

  1. Why do they call him Lucas? Since leaving the Jeffersonian must he work incognito and he is such a fan of Corey Haim that he took the name from Haim’s biggest, though surprisingly not his only, movie?

  2. Why did he leave the Jeffersonian? Did that Ice Queen, Brennan, drive him away? Or did her baby? I know that’s why I stopped watching Bones.

  3. And has he really left the Jeffersonian, or is he moonlighting as a morgue attendant in NYC? Long commute for $12/hr, though I also left Anthropology because, by the time I got my doctorate, the odds were 4:1 that I’d end up with a job in something else.

I’m still watching, but the lazy writing is driving me crazy. In the last episode, Jo asked the victim’s wife if she would “write that [her statement] down in a deposition”. :smack:

Yeah, I have to say that this show has second-rate writers. Last night’s episode was just boring, and other than flashbacks showing him the same age several decades earlier, had nothing different from any other police show.

Oh wait, they did try to put in one thing-- he could recognize from the charred corpse which note the wire used to strangle him would play. Which was stupid, even for TV.

Worst episode yet, by far. I guess I won’t be as disappointed as I thought when they cancel it.

Yeah, I wasn’t happy with the latest episode, either. Other than the immortality schtick being irrelevant (I feel like the flashbacks where thrown in just to remind you that, oh yeah, Henry is immortal), I really don’t get jazz worship. Seriously. My attitude towards jazz tends to echo Henry’s. Most of it I find tedious and annoying noise. And here we go again, yet another TV worshipping jazz as some miraculous genre - it’s just another type of music, guys. If you like it, fine, enjoy, but I felt like someone was trying to Deliver a Message.

That said, I think the actors did a very fine job with a mediocre script. Several of those people I could probably enjoy watching them read the phone book.

Here’s hoping next week is better.

I hope they start making the Cop characters more interesting soon.

I agree the jazz-fellatio was over the top (although, I rather dislike Jazz, so there’s that). I also agree that if you’re going to have a premise of immortality, you can do more with it than just some flashbacks to “Henry with young Abe” and “Henry with old Abe”.

To be fair, Henry did wrestle with Evans for the gun without even thinking, since he knows he doesn’t have to worry about getting killed.

And also to be fair, Henry is quite open-minded about having a black guy hanging around his son for someone born in 1779. But then, he was defending the slaves when he was killed the first time, so no surprise. It’s kinda nice to see a show that just doesn’t care about racial interactions. We need more of that.

What I wonder about, was him treating a guy with a busted hand in his place. Not the treating of the busted hand, but the impression I got was that he busted his hand beating his wife, and Henry doesn’t seem like the type to abide a wife-beater. Did anyone else get a different impression of how the piano teacher hurt his hand?