New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

The Game Room
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Quasi, was the Snowblind Scavenger’s health bar gray or red when you were fighting it?

If it was, then the guy may have been kill stealing. The way WoW works is that when you’re the first one to hit a mob, the game will award you the XP and any loot that the mob drops. (This is different in a group, but when you’re solo, that’s what happens)

So the guy would probably have been hitting the mobs first just so you can’t get any loot off them, which fits with his MO of talking crap to you.

You can tell when a mob ‘belongs’ to someone else when the health bar is grayed out when you target it.

xtisme, this seems to be your guy, right?

Regarding your rotation, it seems to be missing arcane shot. Mash it as often as you can, ideally when you have the ISS buff up (Improved Steady Shot), but also use it to ensure that you’re never sitting at 100% focus while in combat.

Gear:

  • The issue I see off the bat is that you’re at 4% hit which is your most important stat. You want to be at 8% hit (243 for hunters iirc). You can see how often you’re going to miss on mobs and bosses if you hover your cursor over the Hit Chance entry on your char sheet ingame.
  • Gem for agi and ignore socket bonuses as they only come into effect if you match the color, which often isn’t worth it.
  • I’d replace the Foresight trinket (and that haste gem) with something that gives AP/AGI bumps, since haste isn’t as useful for a hunter as other stats are.

Talents – Look up Kutkal on Borean Tundra via wowarmory.com (it’s down for Cat or I’d link it) to see how I’ve set it up, but here are a few comments.

BM spec talents:

  • Pathfinding is only really useful for questing; it’s not useful if you plan to raid as BM.
  • Imp Mend Pet is situationally useful. I like to keep 1 point in there, myself.
  • Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera is a PVP talent. In PVE you should never be getting hit at melee range, so definitely move those points elsewhere.

MM spec talents:

  • Resistance is Futile is more PVP oriented. Plus, it’s Kill Command, which isn’t really used as MM while BM mashes that sucker.
  • Marked for Death is really nice since it saves you the trouble of throwing up a HM every time, but that’s my opinion.
  • Put a couple points in One With Nature since that bumps the bonus you get from Aspect of the Hawk.
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Shit, lizardling. I honestly don’t remember, sorry, but I have never heard of what you describe, so I never would have been looking for that.

So, if I understand you correctly, he “red-circled” every enemy within the vicinity, and when I came along and defeated them, their loot became his because he did that?

And this is legal? He let me fight like we were a “group” and he got the loot?

But you’re saying “mobs”. The way I understand that term, these are guys very closely grouped together. The Scavengers on K3 were spread out.

Thanks for telling me that. So THAT’S why he became so indignant with me: He didn’t think he’d done anything wrong.

Q

5824

Yeah Quasi, I’m afraid that’s probably what happened.

5825

I may be misunderstanding here, but that profile says he’s level 76, not level 9.

What this actually sounds like is one of those dicks I’m always complaining about with a bunch of instant cast spells who runs into an area and just tags everything in sight, even when it’s obvious another player is going after a particular mob. They’ll tag the mob with a spell just before you get to it (this is an advantage that casters and hunters have over pure melee classes), and then sit back and let you do the work of killing it. Then, since they tagged the mob “first”, they get the credit and the loot.

Since you’re level 80 and he’s level 76, if you attack a mob after he’s already tagged it, it will see you as the bigger threat and will stop to fight with you, which might make it look like it’s “your” mob, but really it’s still the other guy’s mob.

The way to avoid this is to always make sure the mob’s nameplate is red when you attack it. That means it’s yours. If it’s gray/black, it “belongs” to somebody else and you won’t get any credit or loot for killing it.

Also, I see he’s a PvP-geared gnome. I’ll repeat my “dick” comment :smiley:
I had my own run-in with a dick while questing in Arathi. My dwarf hunter was doing that quest where you have to go into an ogre cave and retrieve a wand from the ogre boss. I was almost to the back of the cave where the named ogre was, and sent my pet to attack the “regular” ogre who was in the way. When my pet attacked that ogre, the named ogre rushed in and started attacking my pet. Immediately, a paladin ran past me and killed the quest mob before I even knew he was there. I hadn’t even had time to switch targets and tag the quest mob. I sent him a whisper: “Gee thanks.” and he replied, “No prob. I figured you wanted your kill stolen.” Just as big a dick as his name implied: “Durpadin” :rolleyes: A few moments later, while waiting for the quest mob to respawn (which took freakin’ forever), a dwarf shaman came running in, and I invited him to group with me. He accepted and thanked me for the invite, and I told him what had just happened. He said, “Geez, it’s just so hard to be polite.”

Got a cool reward from another quest: Silenced Rifle. That’s not just the name - it really is almost completely silent. And again, I’m really loving this new gear-reward progression. I’ve never had a level 32 character look so “epic” before.

5826

Someone in-game just asked an interesting question:

Disable all add-ons before Cata goes live or leave them as they are?

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Oakie, so I guess I’ll get an explanation from the gm and that will be that.

You know, I farm leather in Gundrak. I go there because the leather drops are so generous. So if I go there, ride Silka all the way around and click on every raptor and then just sit and wait till someone else comes (someone like me - who doesn’t know any better), I score the drops.

That hardly seems fair.

Thanks

Q

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All your addons should be fine, if they’re working now.

Not just click on them - you actually have to attack them. That’s why I said hunters and spellcasters have an advantage over melee classes. You (a warrior, and also paladins and rogues) pretty much have to run up to things and hit them to “tag” them. These hunters and spellcasters, on the other hand, can stand in one place and zap everything in range, even a mob you’re still running toward.
More on Arathi Highlands: I’ve heard the zone didn’t change much, and that’s true. Maybe it’s just my bad luck, but one change seems to be a drastic reduction in the number of mining nodes. I rode all over that zone and found a mere handful of nodes outside of caves. Granted, the zone was never all that rich in minerals, but it seems even worse now.

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Okay, Rik. Got it that time, thanks.

Battle of Alterac question: When I did that battle, I completed that quest and am to report to prospector Stonehewer to claim my reward.

Since I forgot to do that, it has been in my completed list for a while, so my question is: Do I have to sign up for that battle to get to him and if I don’t want to be a part of a BG, do I have to be anyway or be branded a deserter if I get my money and then hearth out?

Thanks

Q

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In MMO-jargon, a “mob” is any enemy. It comes from old MUD term “mobile object” and it doesn’t mean a huge group of enemies. :wink:

5830

Thanks, AEM! Well folks, Wolkie and Silka have been parked in front of the bulletin board in SW for 35 minutes (it’s 12:35am ET) and nothing except some fireworks has happened this far. (Nothing’s on the board except a patriotic phrase.

So… we’re gonna ride over to Heather’s Inn and spend the night.

May check in later.

Quasi

5831

:smack::smack: I guess they meant 12 am Pacific Time :smack::smack:

Q

5832

I’m just wondering how someone can gain 75 points in cooking in less than 2 minutes time; that’s how long it took the message to flash about the realm first of geting 525 in cooking. O.o

5833

It was possible to do some cross zone fishing to catch Cata-fish and you get crates of meat by doing the cooking daily in SW, so they stocked up after 4.0.3a.

5834

Well i got up early and leveled a little more than half way to 81 in Hyjal before I had to get ready for work this morning.

So far i like the zone & lore. The world pvp wasn’t too bad (i’m on a pvp server) but you could kinda tell that it was on the edge of getting bad quickly. I’m almost expecting total chaos when i log on tonight after work since it will be more of a peak time.

Haven’t replaced any purples with greens yet… but the stats are similar, but the edge goes to my current gear because of all the gem slots (i.e. the greens have similar base stats but no gem slots).

Oh, and (hehe) a hunter accidentily shot me ( i could tell it was an accident cause he immediatly stopped attacking and started backing away… but this druid does not appriceate being shot at… so i killed him dead… good and dead :smiley:

5835

Looks like I won’t be getting my copy of Cata for a few days, and soon after that I’ll be away for Christmas for a while. Oh well.

5836

So yesterday I ended up playing my lowbie druid again, pushing through a few remaining quests in Hillsbrad and on to Arathi, and much to my surprise dinged Exalted with the Undercity (and this character is a Troll, so started at Neutral) with the last Forsaken quest in Arathi. Looks like it should be pretty easy to get Exalted with everything just by doing quests.

Also, quick strategy for the last 2 levels of Plants vs. Zombies (the hard ones): plant two sunflowers in each of the side rows, and two more in the one middle row that the first 3 zombies don’t appear in. Let the zombies in those other two middle rows come right on through and get hit by the goblin’s emergency defense system; in the meantime, fortify the 3 active rows.

In the end, you want each row set up like this:

S S G I V R

Where S is a sunflower, G is a gun (the ranged thing), I is the ice-thrower, V is the stranger vine, and R is the rock/barrier. Best to start with the vine and the rock and fill in with the back-row stuff later.

Anyway, once the emergency defense system goes off, get a couple sunflowers in each of those two middle rows and the rest of the defenses up as soon as possible; then just use your pumpkin bombs to thin out the attackers (focusing on the big purple guys) and replace rocks and maybe the odd vine as needed. If you want, you can use a vine instead of a rock on the front line; you’ll be swimming in solar power if you can get a full set of sunflowers down.

5837

Hung around Org on my main last night - the goal was to chain-run some BGs and pick up the last bit of HP needed for my next mount, but as it got later the queue times got crazy long. I finally logged out after waiting in BG queue for 30 minutes, only 79 HP short of my goal. I also came across a level 67 Night Elf skulking around under one of the bridges in Org, so I killed him good.

Got the notice from Amazon that my game shipped yesterday, with an estimated delivery of today. We’ll see. My wife doesn’t usually let me play on Tuesdays anyway so either way I’m not likely to play much, but if I can get the game installed at least I’ll get a day of rested XP before I can start questing on Wednesday.

5838

I’m actually going to be waiting almost 4 whole days before I get Cata. The itch may get to be too much though:) I’ll just be content with reading this thread.

5839

Got to something like 81.6 by playing this morning and afternoon. Seems like Cata is a lot shorter than WotLK since I’m 1/3 through in less than a day. My old Ulduar epics (I took a 15 month break) are all getting replaced by greens already in the first zone which is pretty much what I expected. Questing is otherwise nice but there’s far too many bottlenecks, and given how every quest is part of the huge overall questline you can’t really skip an obnoxious one to go do something else, since you usually only have 2-4 active quests you are trying to do. Don’t really like that, especially with the kill-a-named quests where you have 10 people waiting for the guy to spawn. It’s hard to appriciate the lore and the new zones and such when you spend most of your time trying to get things done in a huge teeming mass of other adventurers, all competing for the same spawns and herbs and whatnot.

Also did the first dungeon (BCR), but as a healer didn’t get much of an impression of it as it looked like any other dungeon: 5 health bars, heh. Only one item dropped that would’ve been an upgrade but didn’t win the roll, also got a new ring from a quest.

Would be playing right now but my server Argent Dawn (EU) has a 400 player queue. Still worth it playing on a full server IMO, much better than the ghost town servers.

5840

The good news: I pushed my farming DK to 80 last night! (Thank you, SotA holiday weekend.) That’s 80 #3, just in time for him to farm herbs and ore in the new zones for my main’s JC and Alch.

The bad news: He didn’t ding until almost midnight Central, and I was up another couple of hours past that… when I had to wake up at 5:45 a.m. to get into work early to pull together materials for a client meeting.

The good news: Getting in early means I’ll be leaving early, so I can plunge into Cata more than an hour earlier than I’d hoped!

Loot belongs to whoever “tags” an enemy (a “mob”) first. You don’t tag by targeting or even by just standing near enough to the mob that it attacks you. You have to take some kind of action against it: attack it, debuff it, taunt it, etc. If someone else has tagged it first by doing one of those actions, the color behind its name on the portrait will be gray instead of red.

If the color behind the name is gray, you will get no credit for the kill. So if you see that, move on to another mob.

The “red circle” is a targeting circle only. It shows what you have selected, but it doesn’t tell you that you have tagged anything.

Somebody who’s using a large mount to stand entirely on top of an NPC in order to block it is performing an action that’s against the rules of the game and should be reported. Someone who just happens to be riding a large mount that only blocks the NPC from certain angles isn’t doing anything wrong–you have many other options for interacting with the NPC, such as enabling friendly nameplates or–in extreme cases–using a targeting macro plus an “interact with character” command keybind.

Did you remember to select the *release day shipping *option? If not, you might be SOL. Mine only just updated to “shipped” last night, though, speaking personally.

If he tagged the mob first, it was “his” as far as the game was concerned. That’s how the game works. If you attack a mob that another person has tagged, they’re entitled to get the credit for it.

All of the Cata changes are already live. Anything you don’t have downloaded is just new content, like cinematics, and you probably won’t download it at all unless you buy the expansion. There’s nothing new that will be activated–they’re just turning on portals, opening up zones, allowing 80s to get XP again, etc.

Speaking of which, are you getting the expansion?

It wouldn’t work. They’d start attacking you. If you waited long enough, either they’d kill you, or they’d reset and “un-tag.” Most people know how the tagging mechanic works and certainly wouldn’t attack something that was already attacking another person. What you’d have to do is wait for someone to aggro a mob (e.g., by running close to it) and then tag it yourself and hope that they don’t notice, which would be especially hard for a Warrior.

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Sounds like my delay in getting Cata could be a good thing then, to avoid the worst of the scrum.

If lots of people are queuing up waiting for a spawn, the solution is to group up.