FYI, you don’t need to do that on Discourse. Just click on the little bell on the right, and select “Watching.” Has the same effect.
For me, it’s not so much the injury itself, but his contract situation. He’s on a franchise tag. If it’s the end of his career (possible), he walks away grossly underpaid for his performance and value to his team.
Not really. There are downsides to however you choose to subscribe to threads. The basic choices:
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Set the “Automatically track topics I enter” time in user preferences to Never. If you do that, Tracking becomes the equivalent of subscribed threads, and you essentially don’t really use the Watching status at all. The downside to this approach is that you lose out on the cool new feature of Unread (Link) showing you threads you spent time reading but didn’t specifically subscribe or post to.
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Change the user preference of “When I post in a topic, set that topic to” Watching. Now you can think of Watched topics as subscribed to and Tracking as only read. The downside to this approach is that all our legacy subscribed threads from the vBulletin days were imported as “Tracking”, which means the list of threads you’re Watching won’t include legacy threads.
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Nope out of the whole status mess and just use the Posted list (link) as your subscribed threads list. This is what I do. The advantages are that legacy vBulletin threads show up in the posted list just like new threads I post in now. (If an old tv show gets a surprise new special or reunion, someone may bump the old thread to let people know. I will see such a bump thanks to using the posted list.) I also still get to use and keep separate the objectively-pretty-cool feature of threads I read for more than 10 minutes get added to a “threads I read” list. The downside to this approach is that I have to post to a thread to add it to my posted list, and also there is no possible way for me to “unsubscribe” from any thread I’ve posted to.
After weighing the pros and the cons, I chose the posted list. So for me, the board does not actually let me subscribe to a thread without posting.
Could you imagine what a fucking slog it would be to read the message board if everyone who was interested in the thread posted “posted to subscribe”? Most of the content of the thread would just be those posts. Don’t do that. It’s obnoxious.
I disagree. What I think is obnoxious is that there is no clean way to group all my legacy threads with all my current threads. The cleanest and simplest is using the posted list, so that’s what I do.
If I feel the need to post a “posting to subscribe” post, I will do so, your irritation notwithstanding. (A single season-long NFL thread would also solve the issue.)
Please no season long threads!
And Michael Thomas is a knucklehead. Saints WR Michael Thomas ruled out of 'MNF' vs. Chargers for disciplinary reasons
Twitter was thinking Covid until the real reason came out. This isn’t some training camp in 100 degree weather and teammates get a bit feisty. Grow up.
It’s extremely discourteous and anti-social. It shows an extreme amount of selfishness and disregard for others. I know it sounds like an overreaction over some minor posting quirk on a message board, but the attitude is what leads to a lot of what’s wrong with society. Most people act in a way that’s in concert with the rest of society, whereas a small number of people do selfish things to exploit it. So long as the people who exploit that system are small enough in number, we just accept that it’s an unavoidable part of society and eat the costs. Which is exactly what you’re doing by being the guy posting to subscribe. Because if everyone else did the same thing you did, you’d have threads that had hundreds of posts that simply said “posting to subscribe” and the board would suddenly become extremely annoying to use, just like society would break down if everyone were choosing the purely selfish action at the cost of the group.
I’ve used my ignore function on this board once or twice in 20 years, but I would consider putting you on my ignore list if you continue to do that. My only hesitation would be the complications that could crop up from needing to speak in the fantasy football threads.
I would counter that this kind of massive overreaction is the real ill of modern society.
Oh, that makes sense. Sure, there’s no one hurting other people or acting in an anti-social way, only people who complain about it, and they’re the real problem. Give me a fucking break. This is too minor to create a pit thread over, and what I’d say to you next is not appropriate for this thread.
No, not that complaining about it is the real problem, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying the massive overreaction is the real problem. That mindset leads to recreational outrage, “cancel culture”, and demonizing people who disagree with you.
Think about your reaction here. I posted 3 words. mhendo helpfully offered a tip, and I gave a reasoned response as to why I made that 3-word post. Once. In one thread. Ever.
Two posts later you – a person I have personally interacted with on friendly terms for well over a decade here on the boards – have already pinned your outrage meter to:
Think about this. In all your 20 years, my 3-word post is the third worst thing you have ever seen on the dope.
I mean, come on, man, how can you not see that as an extreme overreaction, well beyond reason?
And that propensity for overreaction is what I’m saying is a real problem.
EDIT: I’m saying go for proportion. Mock me every time I do it. Seems reasonable, no?
Your little psychology analysis is off. I’m the last person to engage in recreational outrage or “cancel culture” and I could dig up some posting history to prove that, if you’d like.
I did not say that it’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen on the dope. People post opinions that are factually wrong and stupid, that are hateful, that do evil. Holocaust denial, for example. But I don’t put those people on ignore - sometimes I read what they want to say to see what their ideology tells them to better understand and combat them, sometimes I make an attempt to make counter-arguments and fight their behavior. But what they post is at least content. It’s an attempt to engage in discussion. It’s not noise.
But… “posting to subscribe”, that’s not an evil position to articulate that can be argued against. That’s just polluting the message board with non-content. It’s a deliberate decrease in signal to noise ratio. It’s making everyone else scroll over a post to get to the real content just to make things a miniscule more convenient for you. There’s no reason for me to every read your “posting to subscribe” post, I’m not reading it to understand your point of view or to potentially argue against it, it’s simply a hinderance, a hassle for everyone who has read / scroll past it.
The only argument in favor of it is “well, if it’s just me doing it, then it’s not a big enough deal to cause that much harm”, but you could say that about most anti-social crimes and people who take advantage of society. What if most of the board followed your lead and for every post on this message board there were 10 “posting to subscribe” posts for every real-content post? Those numbers aren’t unrealistic, as far more people read threads than participate in them.
The board would soon become a hassle to use, with an extremely low signal to noise ratio, with significant fractions of the content on this board being nothing but a hinderance. But just like you, all of those people would still just be using the best tool available to them to keep track of threads, right? So every one of them is just as justified as you are. And yet if everyone did it, the whole thing would fall apart.
But fortunately most people are not selfish enough to say “I’m going to make everyone read through extra, useless non-content posts so things are slightly more convenient for me”, and so your discourtesy isn’t going to overwhelm the boards. But it’s not from any restraint or good intentions on your part, it’s just that not enough people are as selfish as you are and so it doesn’t achieve the critical mass to break the system.
Now - mentioning that we’ve been on friendly terms for more than a decade is why I spent the effort trying to discourage this behavior before using any ignore function. If I didn’t care about your posts at all, I’d have just silently put them on ignore. I’m not the sort of person to make a show out of ignoring someone as a statement. Being in fantasy football together also complicates things - if my ignore list ends up causing problems due to a lack of communication there, now I’m being the disruptive one.
I was hoping you wouldn’t make me choose between weighing that against seeing your “posting to subscribe” posts and getting annoyed every week.
Why would a lurker post to subscribe? Do you understand what the posted list is and why I use it for my subscribed threads? It kind of sounds like you don’t really grasp what it actually is and are jumping to illogical conclusions.
The utility of the posted list is to keep up with legacy threads. Lurkers don’t have legacy threads they posted in; they’re lurkers. Meaning they won’t “post to subscribe” because there is no reason for them to.
Were you even aware of the “posted” list until my post here explaining it? Nobody on the boards knew of it until codinghorror shared the secret almost exactly one month ago.
As soon as he revealed that feature to me I immediately adopted the posted list as my subscribed threads list. And now a month later, I have posted to subscribe exactly once. And I did that mainly to spare you guys the very long followup to my “save the 2pt for last” argument.
It feels like, to me, you jumped to a conclusion without really understanding the facts of an issue (thinking lurkers would post to subscribe, even hypothetically) and then threatened to cut off what amounts to a dozen-year online friendship over the conclusion you mistakenly jumped to.
Yes, I really do see that kind of passionate overreaction and demonizing your opponent as some of the worst ills in our society today. It’s partly why the political divide is so severe and uncrossable. It’s just bad all around. FAR worse than people just trying to make things work.
In my eyes, my “offense” is on the scale of pulling into a gas station pump the “wrong” way (dick move!) but your (irrational and unfounded) reaction was full nuclear and several orders of magnitude beyond appropriate.
You really still don’t see anything out of proportion to your response? No jumping to conclusions, no misunderstanding; you’re sticking by your position? If so, go nuts, man, you have my full blessing to put me on ignore. Let Jules take care of any of my commissioner needs.
This is more faulty assumptions. Why would I do it every week? I’ve been using this technique for a full month now, and had no occasion to “post to subscribe” to any of the previous weekly NFL threads, or any threads, for that matter. So why would it all of a sudden become every week going forward?
Again, the only reason I did it this week was to spare you all another lengthy diatribe on the merits of saving the 2pt for last.
Okay, fair enough, but this is a nitpick. My underlying point is correct.
You say that posting “posting to subscribe” is convenient for you. You want to get threads on your “posted” list to track them, but without actually posting real content. Surely there are other people on this message board who might prefer the same thing. This is not just some preference unique to you. If all of those people were to post “posting to subscribe” all the time to all the threads they wanted to monitor, there’d be a lot more useless noise posts on this board. Surely you can understand that.
No, I wasn’t aware of it. But now that I am, I’m not going to start posting “posting to subscribe” to track a thread. Either I can post actual content to a thread, or I can use the watching function and suffer a slight inconvenience because the list of things I want to keep track of is in two places instead of one. I certainly wouldn’t demand that everyone who reads a thread must read my “posting to subscribe” message because this is convenient for me.
So if you don’t need to “post to subscribe” very often, then just think of something to post that adds to the discussion at that point, or simply live with not putting every thread that interests you in your “posted” list.
You are missing my point on purpose, picking up a flaw in my argument that does not undercut my main point: if other people did what you do, it would make the board a much worse place. Thus, what you’re doing, on a smaller scale, makes the board a worse place.
Was my initial post an overreaction? No. I pointed out why you shouldn’t do that (by saying what would happen if other people engaged in the same behavior), asked you not to do that.
Yes. I picked a bad example by saying lurkers might use that factor. But I was not wrong in my fundamental point, which is that you are inconveniencing a lot of other people to make a slight convenience for yourself.
I will do so. This is not directed at you in particular, if anyone starts posting “posted to subscribe” or similar, I will be ignoring them. I don’t think this is an overreaction. I’m not being intolerant to anyone’s views, or anything like that. I’m reducing the amount of non-content I’m seeing on the message board, similar to how I would ignore spammers if the boards weren’t so good at immediately handling them.
So I think the AFC North is clearly the best division in football this year. The Ravens are 4-1, Steelers 4-0, and Browns 4-1. Even the Bengals would probably be the #1 team in the NFC East.
Now obviously the Browns are bad most years, but what a fucking difficulty it is to be in a division with two of the most consistently successful franchises in the NFL. Not only do you have to play them 4 times a year, but you’re always competing with them for playoff spots. It’s to the Browns favor that there’s an extra wildcard slot this year. I could see 3 playoff teams coming from the AFC North this year.
If the season wasn’t going to spiral out of control and get cancelled to keep the Browns out of the playoffs, of course.
The AFC north does appear to be strong but even as a Steelers fan I need to see more before saying it’s the best division. For example, the Steelers are 4-0, but look at their schedule. They beat the Giants, Broncos, Texans, Eagles. That’s four pretty dang bad teams.
Just a quick vent:
My money league fantasy football draft was awesome. First 5 rounds: Dalvin Cook, George Kittle, Julio Jones, Chris Godwin, Dak Prescott.
Fuck fantasy football.
Haskins’ stock is tanking bigly.
The good news is, the team from Washington doesn’t seem to be much improved with Smith at QB. Shit, Ron Rivera could probably QB at this point.
I think Kyle Allen looked decent enough in the time he was out there, it doesn’t appear he was hurt too bad and just held out for precautionary reasons in an unwinnable game.
I don’t follow the contract stuff, but apparently if Smith would have gotten hurt, Washington would still owe him a boatload of money for this season and next. That’s probably why the play calling was so conservative in addition to Smith barely practicing this season.
Moderating
The thread went fairly off track from its topic with a lot of sniping re posting to subscribe. Let’s drop that tangent and stick to NFL. And no discussion of who is on your ignore list or soon to be added. That’s out of place in this forum.
No warnings issued, but let’s discuss the topic at hand.
Burrow is looking pretty good in all aspects except for his deep ball. Apparently he is 1/21 on deep passes thus far.