NFL 2023-2024: Conference Championships

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If you don’t follow NFCNMW you probably wouldn’t know that the user bluewords is a Bears fan. So there’s a hilarious meta quality to the meme. Jinx by proxy.

There’s another thread discussing the significance of time-outs late in NFL games. There’s been a lot of discussion here about the questionable play-calling and subsequent time-out called by the Lions late in Sunday’s game. Last night I heard another observation on their late-game strategy (or lack thereof).

At the two-minute warning, Detroit had the ball first-and-ten at the Niner’s 49 yard line. The next play produced a 25-yard gain to the 24 yard line, At the next snap, the clock read 1:39. From there, it took the Lions six plays, 42 seconds, and a timeout to score a TD. When the 49ers recovered the onside kick, the game was essentially over.

What the talking-head suggested was that, at the 1:39 mark, Detroit should have spiked the ball and then kicked a 41-yard field goal. Assuming a successful kick, the score would have been 34-27, and there would have been about 1:30 on the clock, and Detroit would have had all 3 of its timeouts. If they could have held the Niners to 3-and-out, and only use, say, 20 seconds, they would have had time to try to score the touchdown. Yes, it would have been a long field, but at least they would have had a chance.

That’s something I hadn’t thought about, but (in hindsight, of course), it makes some sense.

Yeah, the Madden video game strategy there is to throw three passes into the end zone, and kick the FG if none of them work. Real life is a little different :slight_smile: , but the absolute main thing is to conserve time and timeouts.

Yeah, I thought maybe one shot into the end zone, making damn sure it won’t get intercepted and the QB doesn’t get sacked, then kick it.

I kinda wish they would have done that, held the Niners, and then scored a TD with little or no time on the clock. That would have been an epic two-point conversion attempt.

No and I hadn’t even noticed the NFC North in the meme source. This Chicago fan was also rooting for the Lions and Packers the last few games and I felt comfortable leaving to run errands at halftime on Sunday. It’s a great meme.

I just saw this about the Superbowl ticket prices. This is madness. How on earth does anyone justify paying this much for a football game unless they are a billionaire?

As of Monday, the February 11 game is the most expensive Super Bowl on record, according to TickPick. The average price is hovering around $9,800, which is 70% more expensive than last year’s big game.

If it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity and you have the money, more power to you. You don’t have to be a billionaire. I don’t begrudge people what they spend money on as long as it isn’t hurting anyone.

If someone takes out a predatory loan to go and destroys their family, okay sure. But otherwise have fun.

It’s no novelty for the Chiefs to get in of course, and the 49ers have done it a few times in the past decade or so, so this particular matchup isn’t all that special. But what if the Lions had won their conference, would you shame a Lions fan who had waited their whole life to see their team get to the championship?

Most of the tickets don’t really cost that much. At least directly.

The vast majority of tickets are assigned early - Each of the 2 teams in the game gets an allotment (players, coaches, team sponsors, plus maybe some to season ticket holders if any are left over) plus the host team gets an allotment. That’s ~60% right there. And NFL sponsors also get an allotment - another ~25%. Of the rest, the majority go to winners of various promotions and contests.

Lastly, there’s a vanishingly few available at whatever the face value happens to be (less than $1k for nose bleeds, much less $10k). And of course, those are snapped up pretty fast.

Some of the tickets above make their way to the secondary market, which is where the really big price tags come from. Simple supply and demand. There may be 60-70k seats but only a handful of tickets actually get onto the market.

Sure, that explains why they are so expensive. I think Whack-a-Mole was more objecting to the idea of anyone but the ultra-wealthy buying a ticket. Obviously because there are so few tickets available to the general public and so many people want to go to the game, that’s naturally going to inflate the price by a lot.

I guess so?

They’re already doing that to an extent by giving thousands away in various contests and promotions.

I’m not sure how you set it up otherwise so average Americans can still attend without doing something similar. They’d be quickly crowded out and scalpers would just scoop them up and put them on the secondary market anyway.

$9k is small change to lots of Americans. Independent contractors, builders, trade company owners, partner lawyers, real estate company owners, on and on. If you look at the ordinary football games, college and pro; tickets, parking, seat license, travel, hotels, tailgate, concessions will run close to that for a guy/gal and their family/buddies - and they’ll do it multiple weekends a year.

Golf tour Pro-Ams have entries for the amateurs in that range for many of the bigger tour stops.

The money is out there.

Let me put it this way. I’m far from wealthy. My wife and I both have good jobs, and we own our own (modest) cars and live in a modest home that we own and pay a mortgage on.

If the Super Bowl was something so important to me that I felt that I had to go to it, I could do it. It would stretch me pretty thin but it would be doable. To me it’s a crazy amount of money to pay for an event, heck if I pay a couple of hundred dollars for concert tickets that is a rare thing I only do once every few years or so. But I absolutely could do it without even having to take on debt, if I had enough time to save up the money for that purpose and cutting back on a few of my usual luxuries.

Googling suggest prices for Taylor Swift’s concert can run to $7000. Makes $10k for the Super Bowl seem reasonable.

I wouldn’t put a ton of stock into these prices. They fluctuate a lot and there’s a huge difference between what people are asking on some random site versus what people will pay. In many cases the seller doesn’t even have tickets, they are simply selling on spec.

That said, I paid somewhere in the $3500 range for tickets the Bears Super Bowl 17 years ago (!) and paid somewhere close to $2200 for Cubs WS tickets at Wrigley in 2016. So I’d budget at least $5000 for this game if I were keen on it when you factor in inflation and whatnot.

FWIW these seem to be the latest price listings:

StubHub, at the time of writing, still has 481 listings available, down from 595 yesterday. Prices start at $6,254 but climb all the way up to $51,030. These are the prices per ticket when bought in a pair.

Vividseats doesn’t say how many listings it has, but it seems like a smaller selection, with less variety regarding views around the stadium. But it is cheaper in range, starting at $5,743 and ending at $23,522.

SeatGeek is undoubtedly one to watch, too, as it still has 417 listings. Prices start at $6,278 each in a pair and climb to a whopping $37,331. - SOURCE