What did the Colts trade their pick to the Niners for?
From here:
The updated list I posted above turned out to be less than helpful to me. Much more useful is a spreadsheet I threw together. Since I can’t post an attachment, here’s a text dump of it in CSV form. Copy the following text into notepad and save it with a csv extension instead of txt. Open it in Excel and auto-size all the columns:
Rd,#,Team,Pos,Player,QB,RB,WR,TE,OT,OG,OC,DE,DT,OLB,ILB,S,CB
1,1,Dolphins,OT,Jake Long,1,
1,2,Rams,DT,Glenn Dorsey,1,
1,3,Falcons,DE,Chris Long,1,
1,4,Raiders,RB,Darren McFadden,1,
1,5,Chiefs,QB,Matt Ryan,1,
1,6,Jets,DE,Vernon Gholston,2,
1,7,Patriots,DT,Sedrick Ellis,2,
1,8,Ravens,CB,Leodis McKelvin,1
1,9,Bengals,LB,Keith Rivers,1,
1,10,Saints,CB,Dominique Rodgers Cromartie,2
1,11,Bills,WR,Limas Sweed,1,
1,12,Broncos,OT,Ryan Clady,2,
1,13,Panthers,OG,Branden Albert,1,
1,14,Bears,RB,Rashard Mendenhall,2,
1,15,Lions,OT,Jeff Otah,3,
1,16,Cardinals,CB,Aquib Talib,3
1,17,Vikings,QB,Joe Flacco,2,
1,18,Texans,CB,Mike Jenkins,4
1,19,Eagles,WR,DeSean Jackson,2,
1,20,Bucs,ILB,Jerod Mayo,1,
1,21,Redskins,WR,Devin Thomas,3,
1,22,Cowboys,RB,Jonathon Stewart,3,
1,23,Steelers,OT,Gosder Cherilus,4,
1,24,Titans,DE,Derrick Harvey,3,
1,25,Seahawks,QB,Brian Brohm,3,
1,26,Jaguars,OT,Chris Williams,5,
1,27,Chargers,DT,Kentwar Balmer,3,
1,28,Cowboys,
1,29,49ers,
1,30,Packers,
1,31,Giants,
Draft day trade from last year:
I think the Colts got the best of that deal based on how good Ugoh turned out.
Yeah… although a first and a fourth for a mid-second seems awful pricey.
I guess if you’re the Colts you know your pick is going to be in the last six anyway…
True, but it was a 1st rounder for next year at the time. The popular wisdom is that picks for future years depreciate by one round per year, meaning it was the equivalent of a late second and a fourth. So long as a superstar doesn’t fall to the Niners in that slot it’ll be tough to argue that the Colts screwed up.
In an effort to move the draft along, I’ll select **James Hardy, WR, Indiana ** for the 'Boys here. They could use some youth at that position.
49ers, sucking at every position except linebacker, select one anyway to pair with tackling machine Patrick Willis:
Dan Connor, ILB, Penn State.
Green Bay Packers
The Packers don’t have a lot of holes, and might be looking to trade down. But in this draft, since they need a pass rusher to bookend with Aaron Kampman, it’s a no brainer. They get the BPA, which is how Thompson likes to draft, and they fill a need too.
Packers select Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson.
Here’s the update. I think Ellis might want to make the Giants pick. I’m not sure though…
(My money is on him taking Kenny Phillips)
ROUND ONE
1 (1) Miami Dolphins – Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2 (2) St. Louis Rams – Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
3 (3) Atlanta Falcons – Chris Long, DE, Virginia
4 (4) Oakland Raiders – Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5 (5) Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
6 (6) New York Jets – Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
7 (7) New England Patriots (From 49ers) – Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
8 (8) Baltimore Ravens – Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
9 (9) Cincinnati Bengals – Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10 (10) New Orleans Saints – Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St.
11 (11) Buffalo Bills – Limas, Sweed, WR, Texas
12 (12) Denver Broncos – Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St.
13 (13) Carolina Panthers – Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
14 (14) Chicago Bears – Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
15 (15) Detroit Lions – Jeff Otah, OT, Pitt
16 (16) Arizona Cardinals – Aquib Talib, CB, Kansas
17 (17) Minnesota Vikings – Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
18 (18) Houston Texans – Mike Jenkins, CB, S. Florida
19 (19) Philadelphia Eagles – DeSean Jackson, WR, California
20 (20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee
21 (21) Washington Redskins – Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
22 (22) Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) – Jonathon Stewart, RB, Oregon
23 (23) Pittsburgh Steelers – Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
24 (24) Tennessee Titans – Derrick Harvery, DE, Florida
25 (25) Seattle Seahawks – Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
26 (26) Jacksonville Jaguars – Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
27 (27) San Diego Chargers – Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
28 (28) Dallas Cowboys – James Hardy, WR, Indiana
29 (29) San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) – Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
30 (30) Green Bay Packers – Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
31 (31) New York Giants
ROUND 2
1 (32) Miami Dolphins
2 (33) St. Louis Rams
3 (34) Atlanta Falcons (From Raiders)
4 (35) Kansas City Chiefs
5 (36) New York Jets
6 (37) Atlanta Falcons
7 (38) Baltimore Ravens
8 (39) San Francisco 49ers
9 (40) New Orleans Saints
10 (41) Buffalo Bills
11 (42) Denver Broncos
12 (43) Carolina Panthers
13 (44) Chicago Bears
14 (45) Detroit Lions
15 (46) Cincinnati Bengals
16 (47) Minnesota Vikings
17 (48) Atlanta Falcons (From Texans)
18 (49) Philadelphia Eagles
19 (50) Arizona Cardinals
20 (51) Washington Redskins
21 (52) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
22 (53) Pittsburgh Steelers
23 (54) Tennessee Titans
24 (55) Seattle Seahawks
25 (56) Green Bay Packers (From Browns)
26 (57) Miami Dolphins (From Chargers)
27 (58) Jacksonville Jaguars
28 (59) Indianapolis Colts
29 (60) Green Bay Packers
30 (61) Dallas Cowboys
31 (62) New England Patriots
32 (63) New York Giants
MINE! MINE! MINE!lower case
The Giants have pretty steadfastly taken the BPA in the first round for the past few years, regardless of need. (Mathias Kiwanuka?!) I see this trend continuing. That safety is absolutely NOT the BPA at this point.
Also, even if they were to draft for need, the Giants don’t actually have any pressing needs. Every pick is a luxury this draft. Some people say linebacker, but they return two of last year’s starters and they are very high on the young Gerris Wilkinson stepping into a starting role anyway.
As for safeties, both starters went down for multiple games last year, and even when both were out in the same game the two backups stepped in ably. They lost one starter and signed a veteran free agent, so really the safety situation is the same as it was last year already. Minor downgrade, but warm-body-wise it’s a push.
I also don’t know why all the experts keep saying they are thin along the OL. They lost nobody, and they absolutely were NOT thin last year. It may just be residual sentiment that they can’t possibly have just moved guard David Diehl over to starting LT. They can, they did, and it worked.
So given all this, the Giants jump for joy that the Cowboys inexplicably / irrationally passed on the BPA who also filled one of their needs, and I spooje my pants just a little as…
The Giants select Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
Cason fits many of the recent trends for the Giants. They moved away from pure speed at DB (Will Allen) toward better hands, which Cason fits just like Ross (who isn’t even as fast as his girlfriend) did last year.
The Giants also really like tall players at just about every position. Hell, their starting RB is 6’4"! Anyway, pairing Cason with Ross would give them a tall secondary with great hands. I would so love this in real life, but I don’t see any scenario where Cason falls this far. Certainly not past Dallas.
Here’s a
[quote]
(http://walterfootball.com/draft2008CB.php) on Cason:
The Dolphins are back for their second pick and Parcells looks to the defensive line after going with Jake Long at #1.
- Miami Dolphins
DE - Calais Campbell, Miami
Campbell is the ideal player for a DE in a 3-4 scheme. He’s just enormous and has the size to play inside. Scouts have questioned his ability to get around the end due to his size and corresponding lack of speed, but the corner rush comes from the OLB in a 3-4 making it somewhat moot for him if the Dolphins play the 3-4 as expected. If he slides this far I think the Dolphins will be doing backflips since they passed on Dorsey and Chris Long.
Well, now with the first round in the books, here are (roughly) the top 5 players available by position:
Quarterback:
Chad Henne, Michigan
Andre’ Woodson, Kentucky
John David Booty, USC
Josh Johnson, San Diego
Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Running Back:
Felix Jones, Arkansas
Jamaal Charles, Texas
Ray Rice, Rutgers
Matt Forte, Tulane
Steve Slaton, West Virginia
Receiver:
Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma
Mario Manningham, Michigan
Early Doucet, LSU
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
Andre Caldwell, Florida
Tight End:
Dustin Keller, Purdue
Fred Davis, SC
John Carlsen, Notre Dame
Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M
Jermichael Finley, Texas
Fullback:
Payton Mills, Arkansas
Owen Schmitt, West Virginia
Jacob Hester, LSU
Brandon McAnderson, Kansas
Jerome Felton, Furman
Offensive Tackle:
Sam Baker, USC
Anthony Collins, Kansas
Duane Brown, Virgina Tech
Carl Nicks, Nebraska
Tony Hills, Texas
Offensive Guard:
Chilo Rachal, USC
Oniel Cousins, UTEP
Roy Schuening, Oregon State
Michael McGlynn, Pitt
Eric Young, Tennessee
Center:
Mike Pollak, Arizona State
Steven Justice, Wake Forest
John Sillican, Notre Dame
Cody Wallace, Texas A&M
Jamey Richard, Buffalo
Defensive Tackle:
Pat Sims, Auburn
Trevor Laws, Notre Dame
Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
Andre Fluellen, Florida State
Dre Moore, Maryland
Defensive End:
Calais Campbell, Miami (FL)
Lawrence Jackson, USC
Cliff Avril, Purdue
Quentin Groves, Auburn
Darrell Robertson, Georgia Tech
Inside Linebacker:
Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma
Tavares Gooden, Miami (FL)
Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Beau Bell, UNLV
Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Outside Linebacker:
Keith Rivers, USC
Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech
Erin Henderson, Maryland
Geno Hayes, Florida State
Jordon Dizon, Colorado
Cornerbacks:
Mike Jenkins, South Florida
Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech
Tracy Porter, Indiana
Justin King, Penn State
Reggie Smith, Oklahoma
Safeties:
Kenny Philips, Miami (FL)
Tyrell Johnson, Arkansas State
Dejuan Morgan, NCST
Thomas DeCoud, Cal
Joshua Barrett, Arizona State
Kickers:
Meh
Punters:
Meh
Here’s the breakdown of who was taken:
QB: 3
RB: 3
FB: 0
TE: 0
WR: 4
OT: 6
OG: 0
C: 0
OLB: 1
ILB: 1
DE: 4
DT: 3
CB: 5
S: 0
K: 0
P: 0
My prediction: the “best” receiver is on the board, but he won’t be there for long. There will also be a run on tight ends very soon as well as quarterbacks when people start realizing that their “Quarterback For The Future” is there still. Linebackers will quickly be en vogue.
I agree with the pick; I wonder about the rumored lack of actual production in games and the rumored propensity to disappear in games as well.
He’s got a knock that he’s lazy. Rumors, of course.
Ellis, no Kenny Phillips?
There is something very, very wrong with that list. I can give you 1-3 and 5, but if the knock on a certain player missing is that he played weaker competition, then why the flying eff is Matt Forte, the second-best running back from the same conference on there?
St. Louis Rams
Last season revealled their desperate need for help on the O Line. Injuries and mediocrity on the line hurt their offensive production severly. Since they got Dorsey in the first, they’ll probably be looking for O Line help. One twist in their plan could be the free fall Malcolm Kelly and Mario Manningham are doing on draft boards. If they’re convinced these two first round talents with 7th round heads and gigantic ego’s, have pulled it together, they may grab one or the other here. But, in the end, I think the Rams will want to grab O Line help.
St. Louis Rams select Sam Baker, OT, USC.
There is nothing exciting about Baker. He’s not a monster and he doesn’t have amazing measurables. All he does is play consistently and well. He’s a four year starter at LT for one of the premiere college football programs in the nation. He’s a solid worker, with great production, and great technique. The Rams will be happy to have him.
The Atlanta Falcons, with their top three QB choices off the board, make a move to replace the recently departed Alge Crumpler: the pick is Dustin Keller, TE, USC.
Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs only need help on the O Line, in the defensive secondary, at WR, and, depending on Jared Allen, the defensive line. That’s not too much to ask is it? Kansas City could go a wide variety of ways, from getting Mario or Malcolm to rebuilding the O Line with Collins or Rachel, to shoring up the secondary with Brandon Flowers (a great fit for the Cover 2) or versatile Reggie Smith who could play almost anywhere in the secondary, to grabbing a DE Lawrence Jackson if Allen moves on to Minnesota (although if Allen is traded, the Chiefs will get the Vikes #17 and use it on a DE). In the end, I think they’ll wait on WR, and the talent pool on O Line may not justify a pick here. So, I think they’ll try and find Ty Law’s replacement. I like Reggie Smith, because of his versatility and return abilities, but his injury is a concern.
Kansas City Chiefs select Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech.
A hard hitting CB, Flowers has 16 career interceptions and knows how to jump routes. The big knock on him is his poor timed speed at the combine.
The Jets need to add speed at running back, and since they missed out on McFadden, the pick here is Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas. I personally don’t think much of him but he’s certainly got quicks.
Matt Forte is the running back from Tulane. He doesn’t have home run speed, but a lot of analysts really think he’ll translate nicely to the pros. Many retired running backs see a lot of very good things with him.
Are you complaining because the sixth person on the “top 5” wasn’t in it? If you don’t know who Matt Forte is, maybe you should. He had 2100 yards rushing this past year.