NFL predictions Week 8

Well it seems no ones started the thread this week, so looks like I’m leading off. Hope this is up to the standards of my predecessors. OK, so the official numbers are provided from America’s Line, current as of 1pm, PST. Let get this show on the road. Favorites are in Caps.

The Early Games

**Atlanta @ NEW ORLEANS - 4 O/U 46 ½ **

I must say that I am impressed with the Saints, after their win over my Niners. They have secondary problems, and have particular trouble stopping team on third down. I expect this one to be much like the Niners/Saint match-up last week. I’m taking the Falcon only because, the Saints can’t keep beating good teams with those deficiencies, I mentioned earlier. Take the over in this game.

Cleveland @ NY JETS - 3 O/U 42

I can’t for the life of me figure out the Jets. Why they’re favored at 1-4 also has me stumped. I’ll take the Browns, and the under.

OAKLAND @ Kansas City – 3 O/U 55

Not sure why the Raiders are favored in this game, except they’re coming off two losses. The running game for the Raiders is fairing poorly, they’ve lost return man and a potential back Kirby, and now they rookie cornerback is also injured. Veterans pride may keep them in this game, but against KC at home with the high Priest Holmes, I don’t see the Raiders coming back yet. KC to win and I’ll take the over.

Seattle @ DALLAS 2 ½ O/U 37

Emmett Smith wanted to break the record at home and this looks like his opportunity to do so, I only hope we don’t see on of those “moments” that take the meaning out of it. This should be an equally matched game, but I’ll take the Boys to win and cover.

TENNESSEE @ Cincinnati 5 O/U 41

Will the Bungles succeed where the Lions failed last year? Hmmm…Titans to win and cover.

Chicago @ MINNESOTA 1 O/U 44 ½

I’m not sure why Minnesota’s favored; they seem to find ways to lose every week. At least the Bears seem to want to play. I’ll take a wounded Bears team over this Vikings team everyday of the week, over.

Detroit @ BUFFALO 7 O/U 49

The Lions have been playing with a lot of heart since the change at QB. The Bills have been a scoring machine, in the AFC. I wanted to give this game to Detroit, but will settle on them beating the spread. PUSH.

PITTS @ Baltimore 2 O/U 38

Ray Lewis looks questionable for this game. But even if he were set to play, I’d take the Steelers who’ve come alive since Stewart was benched. Steelers to win and cover in Baltimore.

TAMPA BAY @ Carolina 7 O/U 33

The line looks really low to me. I’m taking Tampa to win and cover, over way over.
Late games for you Easterners.

Arizona @ SAN FRANCISCO 8 O/U 41

San Francisco, like the Saints seemed incapable of stopping the third and long. Look for that to be corrected this game. The key match-up should be Ahmed Plummer against David Boston. Look for Barlow to atone for last week’s costly fumble. The Niners should get near 200 on the ground. Niners to win, AZ cover and over.

Houston @ JAX 10 ½ O/U 38 ½

Sounds reasonable to me. Jax to win and cover.
WASHINGTON @ Indianapolis No Line O/U 47 ½

This has all the makings of a shootout. The only thing I’m confident about in this game is that I have no idea which team will win, tie me down and I’ll take Indy. I’ll also take the over here.

Monday Night.

PHILLY @ NY Giants 7 O/U 38

This should be Philly’s game all the way. But I’d take the over here too.

Join in.

Thanks for kicking it off, I was planning on getting to it this afternoon, since I got tied up this week. I’ll chime in later with my picks, belated as they may be.

So few half point spreads, you know how much that bugs me.

Sunday Games

Atlanta @ New Orleans 12:00pm (New Orleans by 4)
Vick is back at 100%, and Atlanta has started to use Duckett more, however Reeves doesn’t seem to quite understand just how to do the whole Thunder and Lightning thing. The Saints defense isn’t likely to flat out dominate, nor are they going to chase Vick to relentlessly. All that said, the Saints have stepped up to be the most consistent team right now. Since that fluke loss to a somewhat improved Detroit team, they’ve stepped up to all the challenges. Last weeks win wasn’t exactly as convincing as the final score indicated, but they won at home against a good team. Atlanta will keep this game close, but I’m going to take the Saints to win and cover…although so far this season when a team seems to have separated itself from the pack they get humbled pretty quickly, could this be the Saints turn?

Cleveland @ N.Y. Jets 12:00pm (N.Y. Jets by 3)
I’m not sold on Pennington and the Jets, they looked too bad to often. The performance they put up against Minnesota was a surprise to me, but that Vikings offense is far from where it could be, and probably doesn’t say that much for the Jets D. Cleveland has a few holes and they are really tore up on defense. That could create alot of chances for Moss and company if Davis doesn’t find a way to control the ball and the clock. Penninton has faced terrible pass defenses the last 2 games, and this one isn’t any better…and they are hurting. The Browns will be able to move the ball some against a poor defense on the other side of the coin. Tricky game to judge with alot of question marks, mygut tell me that the Browns are gonna find a way, my head says the Jets will pull it out at home. My gut hasn’t been too reliable this season, so I’m gonna take the Jets to win and barely cover.

Oakland @ Kansas City 12:00pm (Oakland by 3)
Should be another fun game to watch, good season to be on the West Coast. Every game in this division will be exciting and fun to watch no matter who you’re pulling for. The Raiders have suddenly gone from dominating to average. Both teams have holes on defense, and both teams are strong on offense. The Chiefs are more to the extreme in both those categories. No one likes to play in Arrowhead, but I think the Oakland age and experience might be enough to calm and counteract that pressure. The Raiders have injuries in more critical positions, especially on defense. This is going to be one of those games where the team who makes the most, or maybe the last, big plays is going to win. Never bet these games, but you should definately take the over. I think the Raiders are going to win this one, but it’ll be close, however they’ll probably cover or push at least with that small spread.

Seattle @ Dallas 12:00pm (Dallas by 2½)
Dallas is starting a new QB, has a banged up O line, and Jerry Jones is gonna force Campo to get this record this week. I’d hate to be Coslett. Under these circumstances I think that even that sieve-like Seattle defense could make life hard for Emmitt. They’ll stack the line in a big way, keep the blitzes to a minimum or run blitz. They’ll man up on the outside, and will have a even bigger hammer in Alexander on the other side of the ball. It might be a little rainy and wet, which I think favors Seattle over all. If Seattle gets ahead this game is over, Hutchinson wasn’t exactly stellar in preseason, and Chad Brown might be in his face consistently. Dallas is the better team, but I just think there are too many factors against them here. Emmitt might break the record, its probably 50-50, but I think the whole situation will cost Dallas the game. Seattle wins and covers.

Tennessee @ Cincinnati 12:00pm (Tennessee by 5)
Ugly game, both teams have been disappointing, not much of a shock if you’re a Cincy fan. Both teams are off a bye, and thats gotta help the Titans more. I’m guessing George and McNair will be fresh and put up good games. The Titans don’t exactly control a game defensively, but this is Kitna we’re talking about here. Dillon can explode at any point and win a game like this singlehandedly, but it’s not something easy to predict. I’m going to stick with the odds makers and take the Titans to win and cover, but not by much.

Chicago @ Minnesota 12:00pm (Minnesota by 1)
God last week sucked, I can’t even discuss it rationally. So many disappointing factors, combined with the fact we gave the game away in the end when we probably didn’t deserve to win anyways. The Bears haven’t gotten any healthier, probably less so. The Vikings haven’t exactly turned it around either. the lesser of the two will lose this game, I don’t expect anyone to step up and win it.As usual I’m going to go with the Bears to win the upset, partly out of blind loyalty, and partly because A-Train should be able to control the clock. Culpepper and Moss haven’t hooked up this season much at all, so I’m guessing (hoping) it’ll won’t happen this week either.

Tampa Bay @ Carolina 12:00pm (Tampa Bay by 7)
You’re in deep trouble when you’re wishing you had a Wienke. The Panthers just will not be able to score on offense, it certain. This should be a much bigger spread. Granted Brad Johnson is out, but I don;t suspect it’ll be a huge drop off to Rob Johnson. His mobility might actually save him against the Carolina front 7. All signs point to a TB blowout. They win and cover easily.

Pittsburgh @ Baltimore 12:00pm (Pittsburgh by 2)
This game is going to be dull to watch. I’m betting Ray Lewis plays, and the Ravens simply have a better running game, they would even if Bettis were playing. Maddox is really showing how big of a drag Kordell was on that offense, and I suspect they’ll have some success moving the ball through the air. I can’t stand either team, so it makes it tough to fall back on my biases when the teams are pretty evenly matched. Pittsburgh’s real achillies is still the spread offense, and the Ravens can’t do that. I won’t be betting it, but I’ll take the Steelers to win and cover, the questionable Lewis tipping the scales ever so slightly.

Detroit @ Buffalo 12:00pm (Buffalo by 7)
Detroit’s big weakness is the pass defense, and guess who they going to face? Buffalo isn’t likely to shut down the Lions entirely, so Stewart will probably have a solid day. It doesn’t really matter what Harrington does cause he won’t be able to keep up with Bledsoe in any aspect. Its a 7 point spread, which gives me just a little pause, but the Bills should win by 2 TDs at home. I might be more cautious in Ford field, but I’ve got to go with the Bills to win and cover.

Arizona @ San Francisco 3:05pm (San Francisco by 8½)
The Cards have looked like a team on the verge of falling apart, and the niners have looked like a team on the verge of breaking out. I think both concepts are flawed. The 49ers are getting solved offensively, and the Cards have turned into a fairly balanced and consistent team under McGinnis. I bet the 49ers are going to come in pissed and aggressive after falling apart last week, and at home they’ll probably be successful. Hearst will run and Jones won’t, that alone points to a 49er win. However pure effort is going to get the Cards into this game and they’ll cover.

Denver @ New England 3:15pm (New England by 3)
I really figured the Broncos would be favored here. They are much too balanced and have too much talent to ingore the records. The Broncos aren’t exactly a team who’s played a soft schedule. Both teams are realtively healthy, and both are pretty well coached. The only question mark I see is Greise vs. Belichick. Greise has been less than inspiring, but he’s been efficient enough to win, but Belichick can make anyone look foolish with 2 weeks to prepare. However, I don’t see the Pats having much success against the Denver defense. They won’t run, and they won’t be able to throw 50 times without making mistakes. It’ll be close, but I’m guessing the Horsies get the upset W.

Houston @ Jacksonville 3:15pm (Jacksonville by 11)
Is there a more unpredictable team than the Jags? They’ve given me fits all year. Houston doesn’t have much of a chance to win this game, but thats a pretty big spread. The Texans defense has played soundly all season, and they’ve been close in games against some strong offenses. If the Texans manage a few big plays I think they’ll cover this spread, but since Jax is my fantasy defense I kinda hope they don’t. For that paper thin reason, I’m going to take the Jags to win and cover.

Indianapolis @ Washington 7:30pm (Pick 'Em)
Matthews back at the helm, go figure. Indy hasn’t been a consistent pick all season, but with no spread I’ve got to bet this game. I really can’t believe the Redskins aren’t 6 point dogs here. Manning is going to have to play a hell of alot better than he did last week when he screwed me, but I really think he will. If not, I’m never betting that guy again. The Colts offense is good on paper, but they’ve sucked in reality. Ditto the Redskins D. Matthews at the very least should limit the number of turnovers and sacks they give up, and the Colts D isn’t one that’ll rattle him. However when all logic fails you, go with the talent. Colts win this one

Monday Night Football

N.Y. Giants @ Philadelphia 9:00pm (Philadelphia by 7)
The Giants have no offense, and the Philly defense will probably be playing huge under the lights. McNabb isn’t likely to be sacked, but the Giants defense has kept most of their games tight. The Giants are banged up pretty good, and might be without a few key pieces. I don’t think the Eagles will roll offensively, but they’ll really make the Giants struggle, and as a result they’ll win and cover this one.
Sorry for getting in late, I hope a few people get online tomorrow morning and chime in this week. I’ll be back soon with my OMNI picks. Enjoy. Have a Happy, Naughty Halloween.

Crap I somehow missed the New England/Denver game. Here’s the official line: PATS 3 O/U 45

I think the spread’ll be much higher than that, sorry pepperlandgirl. If it was in Denver I might pick differently but the PATs are damned near unstoppable at home. I’ll take the Over, but I think Denver covers.

Man, if it went much longer I was going to go sit down and write up my ever so witty picks/remarks :rolleyes: and start the thread myself. As it is, I’ll just shoot from the hip again…

Sunday Games

Atlanta @ New Orleans 12:00pm (New Orleans by 4)
I swear, a team makes it to the concensus #1 in the Power Polls and they lose - Patriots, Raiders, Dolphins…now Saints. Atlanta wins outright is my upset pick.

Cleveland @ N.Y. Jets 12:00pm (N.Y. Jets by 3)
C’mon. Jets favored two weeks in a row? I’ll take (well, ok, I took) the Brownies and the points.

Oakland @ Kansas City 12:00pm (Oakland by 3)
The over/under on this suggests a game in the 28-30 realm. Wouldn’t surprise me. The Raiders defense is beat to hell. The Chiefs don’t have a defense. Start all your fantasy guys in this one, I say the bet pushes and they cover the over.

Seattle @ Dallas 12:00pm (Dallas by 2½)
If you’re an Emmitt fan, tape this game. He will break the record tomorrow. Their next two games are on the road, followed by a bye, and the Seachickens’ run defense sucks. He’ll get the record even if he has to carry the rock 40 times. Not sure why you bench Carter for Hutchinson when Carter and Davis were starting to click, but maybe they saw something in practice. I honestly have no clue who wins this one…coin flip says Dallas on emotion.

Tennessee @ Cincinnati 12:00pm (Tennessee by 5)
The Bungles have one chance at a win this year. Against the Texans. And that’s no sure thing. Byron Leftwich on becoming a Bengal - :smack:

Chicago @ Minnesota 12:00pm (Minnesota by 1)
Da Bears are dissapointing me in regular fashion. Culpepper is forcing the ball to Moss. These two teams are in a competition for biggest train wreck of the year. Give it to the home team.

Tampa Bay @ Carolina 12:00pm (Tampa Bay by 7)
No brainer. Tampa covers. Hell, Tampa’s defense may outscore the Panthies offense by 7…

Pittsburgh @ Baltimore 12:00pm (Pittsburgh by 2)
That Raven defense is coming alive, but can Redman to Heap beat the Steelers? I don’t think so.

Detroit @ Buffalo 12:00pm (Buffalo by 7)
Start all your Bills. Bledsoe, Moulds, Price, Henry, and Hollis will all have great games. The only Lion I’d start is Ricks. Buffalo covers by a remarkable margin.

Arizona @ San Francisco 3:05pm (San Francisco by 8½)
The line seems a little high. No faith in the Cards I guess. I’d like to call the upset but don’t have the guts. 49ers win, Cards cover.

Denver @ New England 3:15pm (New England by 3)
Make or break game, especially for the Pats. People keep telling me that with a bye week they’ll solve the defensive woes in NE. I wouldn’t be so sure. The “genius” curse continues - Donkeys win outright.

Houston @ Jacksonville 3:15pm (Jacksonville by 11)
11? That seems a little high, but with these two teams, who knows? JAX win, HOU covers.

Indianapolis @ Washington 7:30pm (Pick 'Em)
The QB changes continue and until they stop the 'Skins are doomed. I’ll take the Colts to win by double digits.

Monday Night Football

N.Y. Giants @ Philadelphia 9:00pm (Philadelphia by 7)
Donovan McNabb for MVP! The Eagles are better on offense and defense, plus they’re at home. Iggs cover.

OMNI - (I took six games this week, sue me) - CLE, BUF, TEN, IND, PHI, TB

Bandwagon picks (This week’s theme: It’s karma, baby! Karma!)

1. Cowboys
Why? Why America’s Most Fun To Pick On Team? Well, y’see, there’s this little matter of Emmitt Smith (a classy player and probably the least to blame for the Cowboys’ slow burn) having a good chance of setting a career record. And there’s the additional matter of him catching several thousand kinds of hell if the Cowboys don’t win. You know, “doesn’t succeed where it counts” and “meaningless padding” and all that self-righteous crap. Please, once was enough (Dan Marino). Just this once, I’m rooting like hell for the ‘Boys to win.

2. Broncos
Okay, didn’t give run support to John Elway for an eternity, but this unit earned its Super Bowls. And for all the wins in the AFC West, I just don’t trust the Chiefs or Raiders to keep up the pace. Here’s to a win over the former champs and another step to what will be a thrilling, down-to-the-wire race…I hope!..with the suddenly roaring Chargers.

3. Steelers
Hmm…Pittsburgh and Baltimore, both knotted at 3-3. And the Steelers are missing two big players on offense. And they play each other this week. Is there any doubt whatsoever as to which side is the sentimental favorite?

4. Eagles
These birds are primed to soar over the NFC East for the first time in a long while.

5. Texans
Hey, if they’re ever going to get win #2, it’s going to be here. Why aren’t they anywhere near as successful as the Panthers or Jaguars in their inaugural seasons, anyway?

Top 10 standings:

  1. 12 - Eagles
  2. 11 - Panthers
  3. 10 - Chargers
  4. 8 - Cardinals
  5. 7 - Steelers, 49ers
  6. 6 - Bills
  7. 5 - Broncos, Saints, Vikings, Cowobys

Pretty much how I envisioned it, actually. Expect the Dolphins bandwagon to come back big next week.

k, i feel like a total tard for asking but what do you mean to cover and over?

Betting books give every game a “spread.” So if they pick the Eagles as favorites over the Giants by 7 points, the spread is 7 points. To “cover” the spread (and win a bet if you picked the Eagles) the Eagles need to win by 8 or more points. The Giants can lose the game, but still cover the spread so long as they lose by 6 or less. If the Eagles win by 7, the game “pushes” and one wins/no one loses.

Books also set an over/under line which allows bettors to play the game without picking a winner. The over/under line is based on total points. If the over/under line is 40, and you think the final score would be 23-20, you’d bet the “over” (you think the total will be more than the over/under line). If you think the score will by 17-13, you’d be the “under.”

Often times, spreads and over/under lines will include a half-point. The half point precludes any chance of a push. The lines are set, and adjusted, so that there is an equal amount of money on both sides of a line. That way, the book can’t lose (they pay the winners what they collect from the losers, and pay themselves with the vig - a percentage of the bet charged to the loser.)

Here endeth the lesson…

I have never bet (on sports) in my life…but I always thought you paid the vig win or lose?

No, only bets that you lose get charged a vig. And not all bets even come with the risk of having to pay a vig. There is no vig on a parlay, for example, win or lose.

Like the Chiefs were unstoppable at home? I’m not worried.

But see, it’s the exception that proves the rule. :stuck_out_tongue:

Cleveland
'Cuz I believe two things: 1. The Jets can’t win two in a row. 2. If I bet on the Jets, they will lose.

Kansas City
My spread has Oakland by 7. The teams are more or less evenly matched. KC is at home and they’ve got 7 points, so KC it is.

Chicago
I’m not sure why Minnesota is favored here. It made for an easy pick though. Not that the Bears are tearing up the league or anything, but the Vikes are just, well, bad.

New Orleans
If he’s lucky Vicks will someday lead a great team. But not this year. I saw a bumpersticker about 5 years back that said “Go Hawks Go! —and take the Falcons with you!” In another year or two he’s gonna have to scrape it off.

Baltimore
Pittsburg has been looking better recently, but I just don’t trust 'em. Of course now I see that Baltimore is starting Blake, a complete unkown to me. Too late, I already picked the Ravens in my pool.

Buffalo
The Lions have been out-runned and out-gunned all year long. The Bills are better than their record. If the Bills lose this game, they’ll all need a personal bitch-slapping.

Tampa Bay
Maybe if the Panthers had their full compliment they’d have a fighting chance. When I made my pick they had a few holes, including QB. Not even their cool roaring panther logo persuaded me to pick 'em this week.

Cincinatti
It’s the Suckbowl! I feel sorry for the Bengals and have no feelings whatsoever on the Titans. So there ya go.
Seattle
I just don’t like the Cowboys, DKW, no real reason. They could win this game, but not if my hate-rays have any say in the matter.

San Francisco
I keep setting up rules for myself and then ignoring them. A 8.5 spread between teams with the same record-- the rule is go for the underdog. Yet my irrationality leads me to pick SF because I like them better.

New England
Another chance to show what you’re made of NE. Don’t blow it.

Houston & Indy
Why are there always so many games!

Phillie
Oh I want the Giants to win. But they won’t.

Gazoo has me confused on this vig thing, I don’t gamble sports often through sports books, but when I did it seemed that they charged the vig only on winning bets.

I remember the bets saying “Bet $100 to win $95”, i.e. you pay a 5% vig on winners, and its a matter of perspective if there’s vig on the losing bets since you essentially bet the vig in that losing $100. If you see it as a $100 bet then there’s no vig to lose, but if you see that as a $95 bet then you are losing the vig on both sides.

BTW, here’s my OMNI picks.

Tampa Bay, Buffalo, New Orleans, Indy, Philly

Ok, here’s the vig works - if you bet, say $20, with a real book, your actual bet will be $22. If you’re betting with a local “guy” you tell him that you want “such and such” for $20. The difference is that a “true” book wants the vig up front. They don’t want to have to hunt you down for it. If you win, you get your $22 back and $20 more. If you’re betting with a guy you have an account with, you just say “Giants to cover for $20.” The money doesn’t exchange hands until the game is over. If you won, he pays you $20. If you lost, you pay him $22.

Don’t confuse line bets with “money” bets. A money bet is a straight up bet where a wager of $100 may only win you $75, or if you take the dog, your $100 may win you $125.

Yep. The Pats are virtually unstoppable at home.
:rolleyes:

Don’t hold back, pepperlandgirl, that aint trash talkin. Get some emotion going :smiley:

No need to trash talk. Though I wonder how many games the Broncos have to win before people actually start considering them a winning team and no more of this “well they would win but team X is virtually unstoppable” crap.

Does this mean you don’t like me, Omni?

I usually don’t post here because most of my public predictions come out false. Like, for instance, I picked Indy tonight, and it’s 23-7 Washington at halftime…