There is no propaganda involved and everybody has an opinion.
what is relevant is the use of ones employer to further personal causes.
Not me-The sentence.
Welcome to the Dope, Ashtura.
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You don’t think that trump massively increased the awareness of the action, along with polarizing it by declaring his perception?
I do like that your caveat that I may not be being presumptuous because I may have a mind reading device, as you are aware that if I had one, then that would simply confirm it.
But, in any case, I don’t need a mind reading device, I have a word reading device. And I read the words that you type. And the arguments that you use, the faulty logic and refusal to consider that your perception of why someone is performing an action may be in error, that your perception is more important than the actual intent are a dime a dozen.
You are not the one who came up with the arguments that you are using. You are not the one who was aware of the kneeling situation. You are not the one who came up with your own opinion as to what that meant. You are not the one who even understands what exactly it is that you think is offensive about the act.
You are just following the lead of trump and his supporters, wherever they may take you.
And you are wrong. Dead wrong. Thanks for confirming your presumptuousness to me though. I do not subscribe to cable, do not watch football and couldn’t care less about it, haven’t been to a venue featuring the national anthem in god knows how long, and my primary source of information on the subject is from written news aggregation services, which features content from a wide variety of sources.
I’ve mentioned multiple times on this thread that I, personally, do not find the kneeling offensive. My primary argument on this subject is that it was ill conceived and easily open to misinterpretation and attack. And I maintain that assertion.
off the top of my head:
2016 - Gavin Long killing of 3 officers/wounding 3 while calling for violence in response to police treatment of blacks.
2016 - Micah Johnson - killing of 5 officers/wounding 9 because he wanted to kill as many white police officers as he could.
BLM has repeatedly and specifically denounced violence. Those incidents are no more the fault of BLM than murders of abortion doctors by Christians are the fault of Christianity.
IIRC, up until 2015 or 16, the US military actually paid to sponsor the anthem and other “patriotic” displays at NFL games. Not sure if the NFL thereafter sold rights to anyone else, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I generally don’t see the problem in declaring the anthem a part of the game in which employees are supposed to participate. What next, someone wants to go to the locker room during the coin flip because they disapprove of gambling? 
I’ve got no objection to an employer prohibiting certain forms of speech while at the workplace, wearing a uniform, during working hours. Of course, I’m covered by the Hatch Act, and can’t even place a partisan political sign on my lawn… :rolleyes:
I agree with what you’re saying but BLM has done a piss poor job of getting out in front of the violence and denouncing it. I really wish they had better leadership.
And yet the violence occurred. who would have thought a movement involved in the Furguson riots would inspire violence.
I wish they were a perfect organization that could prevent all bad people from doing bad things, but this is a complicated world and I think that the vast majority of BLM are regular folk who see an injustice and are trying the best they can to change their communities and society.
Ooh, are we going to start blaming entire groups for the actions of independent individuals who are maybe possibly incidentally connected to them?
This should be fun!
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ORLY? Cite? Even if true, police being killed generally results in perps being killed or charged with a crime. Mournful paradelike funerals to follow. Remind me how these issues are the same.
I am not the one who is claiming that not only do I know why someone is kneeling, but that they are lying when they say why they are kneeling.
Ah, but someone got you to care. If you don’t watch football, and “couldn’t care less” about it, then what brought this to your attention?
Then you have even less idea of even what people do when the anthem plays.
Right, the people that are telling you what to think.
So, you are just concerned that this form of protest may be misinterpreted by people that are either unable or unwilling to take a moment to understand the reasons behind it, and would rather just make up their own reasons. You yourself find it to be a perfectly acceptable form of protest, because you do understand the reason behind it, that kneeling is not offensive, and that the players are not doing it to offend the flag, or the country, or the vets, right?
If this is the case, wouldn’t it be more conducive to spend the energy that you have spent here trying to convince people that protesting in a way that can be deliberatly misinterpreted by people that don’t want to see people protesting is unwise, and use that energy to explain to the people that cannot seem to fathom a way to not lose their shit while they sit on their couch and see a black player kneel for the anthem?
If you support the NFL decision, here’s your challenge… If you 1) don’t take your pregame potty break or run to the fridge during the Anthem, you may still post. 2) don’t answer your cell phone if it rings during the Anthem, you may still post. 3) stand and face your TV or an actual flag during the Anthem, you may still post. 4) Cease whatever conversation you’re having for the length of the Anthem, you may still post.
As for me, I’ve stopped watching golf, tennis, volleyball, and bowling because they are SO un-American that they don’t even DO the Anthem. :rolleyes: Not at all! Where is the outrage? And I’m still trying to find out how often the Anthem is played at the White House and in the House and Senate and, if all present are required to stand and face the flag. Being such a vital expression of our love for our country, it should be required DAILY, don’t you think?
Football and baseball players during the Anthem is a SHOW. The camera pans from the players to the flag and back again. The Anthem is about the Flag…‘our flag was still there’, ‘does the banner yet wave’. SHOWING full and unconditional, ‘no reservations’ love for the Anthem SHOWS that same love for the Pledge whose closing words are ‘with liberty and justice for all’. And that phrase is what the kneelers are trying to draw our attention to. Let’s make it true!
I never said Colin was lying ever. I have direct quoted his reasoning. You’re clearly confused.
I read the news. I am capable of drawing my own conclusions based off what I read. I would hope you can too.
You still haven’t named a single person who is “telling me what to think.” You’re clearly being presumptuous.
I’m not “concerned,” I know that has happened for a fact. The Boyer article confirms that unquestionably, unless you are positing he is lying.
Yes, to all of the above.
From one rando on the internet to another, your suggestion is duly noted.
Thank you, howierantz. Welcome to the SDMB.
I’t’s not complicated. Don’t demonize the police with racial hatred.