Agreed. I’m glad that BLM doesn’t do this.
:rolleyes:
Black people pointing out injustices by their police departments is NOT “inciting racial hatred”. Or do you think it is?
Jesus, there was a troll on CNN’s Twitter feed the other day calling their article about the community bbq in Oakland ‘race baiting’ and ‘divisive’. Surely you don’t believe such things, do you? :dubious:
We’ll pretend the ferguson riots didn’t happen.
I thought the driver was supposed to stop the car and get out, stand at attention until the anthem was over, then get back into the car and continue driving, while the passengers remain seated in the car. It’s been a while since I was on a base and outside during the playing of the anthem, and that was on an Army base.
You mean the town where the police force was almost all white in a town that was mostly black, known to be corrupt, violent and racist? Where the local judiciary was determined by the Justice Department to be racist and farming the community for fines?
That Ferguson?
How dare the black people there be upset at the white racist police department violating their civil rights to the point where the community rose up against them. :rolleyes:
Should I also point out that someone has been killing off community activists there in a wave of unsolved killings the police don’t seem interested in solving?
That is the most overtly craven display of pandering to one’s base I’ve ever seen. Had Obama done the very same thing, just imagine what the response would have been. There are quite a number of patriotic rituals regarding the American flag, not a one of them is looking like you’re having sex with the thing on stage. Aside: And why didn’t the folks in Florida complain that he didn’t molest their state flag; what does he have against Florida?
Oh, here is another protest regarding the flags and anthems (read the whole link). Here is a good bit of information from that link to ponder:
We are not robots, not even the athletes. People have their own reasons for participating in or not participating in any group ritual. Quite often these days when I do see a sports event, be it local school, collegiate, or professional, I see a military honor guard parading the flag. That is government sponsorship of a particular ritual and everyone has a right to participate or not participate in the ritual. As a veteran myself, I have no problem with the players’ protest or their manner of protest. It is their right and they are calling for the country to be better. What’s wrong with that stance? After all, aren’t those people complaining about their protest trying to “MAGA”?
Always comes down to the same old, same old.
“Of course you can protest!”
“Just not like that.”
“Or that.”
“Or that either.”
Yep. It’s simply DWB (Demonstrating While Black).
No, it’s a tacit admission that people attack other people without knowing the whole story. Boyer was angry, too, at first, but he took the time to ASK Kaepernick instead of rushing to judgment.
No, he doesn’t sound happy that so many of the people castigating him never bothered to get the whole story about his conversation with Kaepernick AND Boyer’s recommendation to kneel but instead turned on both of them. He may have thought most people had the integrity he showed. Finding otherwise was bound to be disappointing.
And I think more of Boyer than that. I think he’d have the courage of his convictions. He believed that kneeling is a sign of respect, as it has been for centuries. I doubt he’d stop believing so because other people rush to judgment.
That’s not true for me. I disapprove of those that riot as well as those that could have done something to prevent rioters but did not (although even the latter is not a majority of demonstrators even at events where rioting took place.)
And, while I am ambivalent about the BLM as a whole (mainly disliking the condescension of their slogan), if there is any “correct” way to protest, taking a knee has to be it.
The NFL has the right to enforce this policy, but it could backfire. The players will probably look for other avenues for protest and they might include some the NFL doesn’t approve of.
Also a decent chance that it comes up in the NFL collective bargaining by the union.
How is “Black Lives Matter” condescending? It’s a response to a systemic attitude and practice that Blacks’ lives do not matter, but white lives sure do.
And it’ll get shot down because it’s unenforceable. How many jobs do you know of where your job description is to stand and salute when a particular piece of music is played? If the NFL owners try to force that through, I hope the players go on strike.
I’d surely like to know how black people pointing out that their lives matter in a nation where all too many people don’t seem to think they do is troubling for you.
Is BLM an entity, a singular noun for a discrete group? A bit like OWS, more a reaction than an organization. Same way we latched onto a couple of kids as the “leaders” of the youth anti-gun movement. Its the way we think about things, like massive groups of people are characters with identities and personalities.
OK, been a couple years, right? So, who is the leader of BLM? If you wanted to contribute to BLM, where would you send the check? Lot to be said for this approach to public protest: when they go to arrest the leaders, there aren’t any.
When it’s a flag that isn’t worthy of respect… the picture changes.
Communication is meant to communicate information. If it is not new information, then why use the words? If it is thought to be new information to me, something I did not know already, then it is condescending.
I have the same issue with “Blue Lives Matter”, because it’s also obvious that the majority of BLM people, as well as myself, respect police officers safety, and a different issue with “All Lives Matter”, because it’s also obvious that BLM is not saying Black Lives Matter only.
It’s meant to highlight the belief (backed by good evidence IMO) that society generally treats black lives as less valuable than other lives.