Nicklz vent's and says fuck alot

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“What appears”? Yeah - sure - it just “appears” that he’s being an ass. Yeah, that’s it. :rolleyes:

The kid may be green, and timid. He needs some training before becoming more self-sufficient at his job. I was the same way at many of my jobs. The employers decided that putting in some time to train me (usually a few weeks) was worth it, as I became a worthwhile and reliable employee.

Does this kid possess such potential? I can’t say. I don’t take Nicklz’s word too seriously - he obviously decided to adopt a very negative attitude about this young man from the git-go. He has been more than happy to label him a “loser” right off the bat. Trust me - people can sense when the person “training” them is hiding feelings of contempt for them. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nicklz’s latent “point and laugh” attitude is rubbing off on this kid, and making him even more nervous. (This has happened to me more than once - you can just feel the irritation oozing from the other person, even though they are “polite” on the surface.)

:rolleyes:
Working in a hotel ain’t brain surgery, buddy. Give me a freakin’ break.

In the long run, being a jerk who is happy to “point and laugh” (inwardly) at some poor timid soul is definitely not a preferable thing. Being a jerk with bad spelling and grammar skills - well - that’s really sad! :wink: So who is really the “loser” here? (If we are going to start labeling people “losers”, which Nicklz seems motivated to do…)

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Good point, Hibbins; in my opinion, sometimes people will present an OP with such a nasty tone that the message of the OP gets lost in the static of the nastiness of the OP’s tone. I feel that this is what Nicklz did here, then continued the nasty tone throughout the thread. Which people called him on.

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Featherlou thank you, my point summed up very concisely.

yosemitebabe,
I was not trying to defend Nicklz, just supporting his right to be rude and crass in “the Pit”. We could sidetrack almost every pit thread if we wanted to nitpick a particular single comment in a single post, which quite possibly may have been taken out of context.

Whether he is being an ass or not, you completely ignored the subject of the OP and happily piled on to take the thread off on a tangent.

According to this thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=80816
pointing and laughing behind someone’s back is acceptable behavior as long as they don’t know you are doing it.

Give me a fucking break! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Who determines at what level we drop “on the job training”? YOU? :rolleyes:

I don’t care if the guy is perfectly ordinary, if he is hired to do the same job as me and is taking my hours (food off my family’s table), I will hold a grudge against the little shithead and the management that hired him. And you can be goddamned sure that I am not going to be happy about “training” the little fucker.

If you hadn’t been blinded by that comment and whatever presuppositions you are carrying around, you would have seen this.

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True enough. But it was Nicklz’s insistence on continuing the nastiness that caused us all to pile on him.

I quite happily “piled on” someone who thought nothing of calling a person who was timid and stuttered a “loser”. Had Nicklz himself articulated exactly why this fellow was inadequate at his job, (in a less nasty way) rather than just “pointing and laughing” at his (perceived) frailties, it might have been much easier for us to stay on topic.

Why exactly should I care what everyone says in a thread that I have never visited, and have not participated in?

No, not me, and not Nicklz, who apparently feels totally put out by having to deal with any new employees at all.

:confused: What? You think the “little shithead” knew when he was hired that he was “taking your hours away?” Maybe he just wanted a job, and did this absolutely shocking and controversial thing called “applying for a job”. Yeah, you know, that. Blame the bosses, if you like, but no one else. (And I might add, while I rail against the incompetence of bosses sometimes - where exactly is it written that they OWE you so much? Like they aren’t entitled to hire new people? Who gets to decide when your employers (or Nicklz’s) employers get to hire new people? YOU? :rolleyes:

You many not be happy about the whole situation, but taking it out on some poor hapless soul who merely had the audiacity to answer a help wanted ad seems quite unseemly.

Ooh. I’m so bowled over by your logic and reason. :rolleyes:

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Oh, good fucking gravy. ONE THREAD? There are over 8000 of them on this message board. One is hardly representative of a group sentiment.

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Oh gosh frigging darn! It’s irony. This isn’t GD.

In response to iampunha Nicklz said

To me it is clearly a shitty response, and hopefully incomplete. At this point rather than ask for further clarification five people jumped his shit about “studder”=loser. Sorry, but that smacks of tunnel vision. I didn’t see any “You can’t be that fucking stupid!” comments. Later, after his further responses he gets what he deserves.

Touche on the last bit. And you’re right they (bosses) don’t owe me anything but a good days wage for a good days work. On the other hand, I don’t owe the guy who is taking bread out of my mouth any courtesy either. Now if the hire didn’t decrease my wage (hours), I’d be more than happy to try and help the green recruit along.

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Please. You can’t be serious. The new guy isn’t taking anything away from you, unless he is rifling through your wallet. He merely answered a “help wanted” ad. The bosses made this choice, they get to decide if they need more people. Perhaps they are doing this because they are cheap bastards, in which case, blame them. Or get a better job. But don’t take it out on the new person who just wants a job. He certainly has no clue that some bitter twit of a co-worker believes that any new person is “taking bread out of their mouth”. Come on. You’ve got to be kidding - just trying to yank our chains here - right?

Give me a break. The new hire has no control over the schedule, over who gets what hours! He’s just some working stiff! You really can’t be serious. But if you are - what an attitude. To not feel any impulse or inclination to be polite and kind, just because it’s the decent thing to do? But rather seethe over some poor hapless schlub, and ooze hostility towards them because of the actions of your employers? How odious.

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As a former Night Auditor, I’ve been in Nicklz shoes. It’s not an easy job, but I quit because it was too mindless.

Now, as to his complaint: Was Nicklz aware his hours could be cut back when he applied? And why are his hours being cut back? Is he working full or part time? It’s a sad truth, but part-timers don’t count for nearly as much in the employment world as full-timers do. (At least in terms of benefits, status, power, etc.)

This is not to say I agree with his statements. I find them abhorrent and disgusting. I would hope someone who must work with the public (even if it IS only 3 or 4 people a night) would be able to be tolerant of “different” people. Based on his post(s), I’d say he is better off as a car salesman – it seems to suit his personality better. Just MHO.

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Hibbins, your absolutely correct the point is simply stated he is taken away my hours, he doesn’t have the ability to do the job as mindless as it may be.

So there for I will resent the “shithead” or “loser”.

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So - this young man TOOK your hours? How? Did he take this job with the thought in the back of his mind “Oh goody! I can TAKE hours away from Nicklz! Great!” Did this young man make the schedule? Does management consult this kid when they are making the schedule?

Please explain how this young man is actually responsible for how many hours you are given. What special powers does he possess?

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My italics.

Now you’re putting words in my mouth! Absolutely not yanking chains (Are you accusing me of living under a bridge?). I made it specifically clear that my feelings of begrudgement would only apply in an instance in which I would see a direct monetary loss. Hell, you even quoted the statement. Yet you try to paint me as being some kind of “new employee” bigot. You are right that the bosses deserve the blame, but it still won’t absolve the new hire from being a competitor, innocent or not. I refuse to “help” the competition. The bosses hired him, let them train him.

Excuse me? At which point did I seethe and ooze hostility? Unless you consider it a hostile act to not offer a helping hand?

Polite? Kind? Decent? In most instances absolutely. Unfortunately it isn’t a Barney world, and we can’t/shouldn’t always be nice. Why should I have to make all the sacrifices. Let the new hire show how polite, kind, and decent he can be by quitting when he learns that he is negatively impacting his new coworkers income.

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Excuse me for not jumping on the OPer, but blind people shouldn’t be taxi drivers, people missing limbs shouldn’t be beat cops, and stammerers shouldn’t be in customer service.

I agree with him. I don’t get upset because, being a male, I can’t be a fucking ladies’ washroom attendant.

You don’t have to be an insensitive prick to notice that people with speech impediments of any sort make poor customer service associates, you just need to have been a customer. And I don’t see that it should be the employer’s responsibility to help this guy out.

There are a thousand-and-one non-customer service jobs in the world. Go find one if communication is a problem for you. Not too fucking hard.

Calling a stammerer an asshole is out of line, though.

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No one did!

yosemitebabe was the first to match the words asshole and stutter in the same sentence.

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As one who stammers I have to say I have mixed views about this.

Stammerers can improve the quality of their speech. I don’t want to start a speech therapy class here so I’ll just say this.

This young guy should be attending therapy sessions if his stammer is so bad. His colleagues could encourage him to do this instead of laughing behind his back.

Mocking a stammerer goes back to classic banana-skin theory. We laugh partly because it’s not happening to us. Most people can speak normally so a stammerer is a good target, especially since the target has difficulty answering back.

A stammer is a disability (Mine’s OK now so I can say this). It disables social interaction and the ability to do certain jobs. There are laws to protect people with other disabilities but not stammerers. So people just need to use their common sense when dealing with them.

If anyone meets a stammerer just remember that behind the stuttering there is a real person trying to get out. Very often they do get out eventually, and they can become successful at interacting with customers and other people.

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OK, fine. Perhaps not “new employee bigot”. But you equate some “direct monetary loss” towards some new employee, when ALL the blame goes to your employers, who chose to get a new employee. The new employee has no power over the situation - he doesn’t decide when to hire people, he doesn’t choose hours, nothing. Besides, he has something at stake as well - HIS MONETARY LOSS. He has a right to a living, just like you, right? He has a right to take a job, and stay at that job until he is fired, right?

Hey - have whatever crappy, uncharitable attitude you want. But you know, if you are made to feel so insecure or unsure at your job, that you are threatened by some new guy, why don’t you find a new job? Stop complaining about how this new guy is “taking bread out of your mouth”. Find a job where you are more valued. Don’t take it out on some new guy who just wants a job.

Your attitude here oozes hostility. You think that a guy who merely applies for a job to be taking bread out of your mouth. How could you not feel some hostility towards someone who was taking bread out of your mouth? I mean, come on. Apparently this guy has a whole lot of power. He is stealing bread from your table, cutting into your hours, and putting you and your family onto the street, kicked to the curb. Or that’s almost the way you make it sound. (Sheesh. What a drama queen!) All because he applied for a job.

And “not offering a helping hand”. Yeah, someone could definitely percieve that as a hostile act, depending on the circumstances. Let’s say that New Guy is being put on the spot with a customer who has a question or problem, and New Guy doesn’t know the answer. And there you are - he knows you know, and yet you are looking at the ceiling and watching him flounder. Do you really think that the New Guy is going to miss that, and take it any other way than that you want to see him crash and burn?

Oh give me a break. You must be kidding. You are yanking chains. Why should a new employee quit, when he knows that all that will happen is that the boss will hire someone new to replace him? And so on, and so on, until they get a new employee who will stay? The new employee has little power over the situation - the bosses have final say, and total control.

I think it’s obvious that Nicklz was equating a stammer and nerves with “loser”. Oh, excuse me - FUCKING loser. I cannot remember where I wrote that Nicklz said a stammerer was an asshole. Could you copy and paste this stamement you claim I made, please?

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Drama Queen? Moi? Hello kettle this is the pot.

My attitude oozes hostility? Simply because I would not go out of my way to help someone who’s hiring cut into my hours? You ask how I could not feel hostile? You assume too much.

I ask you kindly to please drop the insinuations of trollish behavior. It is quite possible for two people to disagree without one being a troll. And as of my last count I currently see two people disagreeing.

If everyone in this world were to be as charitable and caring as you seem to think we must be, the loop would continue until there was no one left to hire and all would be well.

Thank you for your permission. I think I will, except I seldom do.

Maybe that’s how you’d see it. A not quite so pessimistic person might think “Boy that guy training me sure is an airhead!”.

By your request:

I think you missed my point. I was just trying to correct erislover’s belief that someone called a stammerer an asshole, by pointing out that the first time those two words show up in the same sentence is in the above quote by you. Which by the way was a misinterpretation, as the statement was :

Since we have already concluded that Nicklz equated the stammerer with being a loser it is not logical to conclude the stammerer is an asshole.

I’d appreciate if you would interpret my statements as the specific, generally direct comments that they are meant to be, rather than trying to paint them as broad generalizations.

P.S. I hope you haven’t misled yourself into believing that I have any disrespect for our hypothetical new hire because he stammers.

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Since we have already concluded that Nicklz equated the stammerer with being a loser it is not logical to conclude the stammerer is an asshole.
I meant if your not a loser than sometimes you have to be an asshole about certain things. This Bieng One.

I told my manager I wanted more hours and if next weeks schedule didn’t reflect it, I’d be looking for other employment.

We had the same amount of people working there ever since I was hired, true when someone needed a vactaion, a couple people would get overtime, not ever more than a few hours of overtime, this is why they hired the new person.

Although he is getting the same amount of overtime as everyone else. i used to get about 35 to 40 hrs a wk. Not now thanks to “loser”.

Well another summary from work I only got 32hrs.
And I’m going to the largest car lot in this little town tomorrow (I used to work there, and they told me if I ever wanted to come back they would have a desk waiting for me).

Thanks to “loser” I will definitely get all the hours I want but I’ll be getting paid on comission.

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OK, if you say I am a Drama Queen, I won’t argue with you about it. :rolleyes:

But I’m not the one equating a new employee with taking food off my table. Give me a freakin’ break.

But I thought in a previous post you denied oozing "hostility?.

So which is it? Are you hostile, or aren’t you? And if you feel hostility, why wouldn’t any fairly astute person pick up on that, at least on a subliminal level? People almost always can sense that kind of thing, you know.

I never called you a troll. It was not my intention to even insinuate that you are a troll. It sometimes happens that Dopers occasionally “yank chains” without being called the “T” word. I’ve witnessed it. I am just incredulous by your melodramatic attitude about a new hire taking food off of YOUR table, and taking YOUR hours (like he has control over that). :rolleyes: But if you want me to take everything you say here completely seriously, fine, I will. (Yikes.)

Oh yeah. Coulda fooled me.

I think the bolded segment makes if perfectly clear that New Guy would HAVE to have a clue that you could help, but didn’t want to. And another issue - if your boss is paying you to do a good job, and part of the job that he asks (and expects) from you is that you TRAIN the new guy, what kind of an employee are you if you refuse to help, and refuse to train the new hire properly? After all, you previously wrote:

Refusing to train a new hire, when it is specifically expected of you doesn’t sound like a “good day’s work” to me.

Now, it very well could be (and often is) that the boss is a cheap bastard. In which case, find a new job. Get out of a bad job, and a bad situation. But to just bellyache about the New Guy taking bread off of your table and oozing hostility sounds useless.

So - I said “how “assholes” have anything to do with a poor, young nervous guy with a stutter is beyond me…”

So, I was confused by Nicklz’s statement. If I had totally misunderstood his statements, he could have corrected me, you could have clarified. That’s why I said the connection between the two was “beyond me”. It was. Frankly, it was also beyond me that a guy who was timid and stammered was also a FUCKING LOSER. But Nicklz certainly thought that. So if it cannot be directly assumed that he also thought the “fucking loser” was also an asshole, what’s the big difference? Isn’t “fucking loser” bad enough?

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Is your comprehension really that bad, or do you just see and remember that which suits you? I am not equating this to just any new employee. Hell I am not equating anything. There you go again trying to turn my words into a broad generalization. I am referring to the specific instance in which a new employee is hired when there was no need, which leads to a reduction in hours (income) for other individuals. Reduced income means the family or individual must get by on less. This was the basis of Nicklz OP.

From the OP:

You’re doing this on purpose right? Please read the third sentence again and make note of the word not. You asked how I could not be hostile. I say you assumed too much to think that I must be.

Is it clear yet that YOU are assuming this fictitious hostility and trying to attribute it to me.

Are we assuming again? I see no mention that it was Nicklz responsibility to train said individual.

Have you read anything beyond loser and studder? You have essentially summed up the OP.
New guy hired.
Hours (income) cut.
New guy incapable or not very capable of performing job, requiring extra help/supervision.
This fucking sucks!
I think I’ll quit and get a different job!

And please, please, please quit with the oozing hostility already. I’ve seen it so much I am expecting it as a title of the latest Hollywood release.

No harm in that. I didn’t mean to appear to be taking you to task, I was just trying to point out to erislover that he was mistaken to believe that anyone had specifically called a stammerer an asshole. I thought the confusion likely originated from your sentence as that was the first time those two words were found together in the same sentence in this thread.

I’ll close with this. I accept that Nicklz was pissed. I think he has a right to be. How that should be directed, that can be open to debate, I really don’t care. Is Nicklz a nice guy? I don’t know. Am I defending him? No. It’s the pit, let him vent. Call him on it if he says something really stupid, but give him a chance to explain or dig the hole deeper before hijacking the thread and turning it into a bash fest.

So who really is the “goat felching ass munch” here? (If we are going to start labeling people “goat felching ass munches” as Insert Name seems motivated to do…)
It’s the Pit, the Pit I tell ya.

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Guess What???
???

???

Your ALL “goat felching ass munches”
No I’m just kidding, I’m going to kill this thread by saying, “I, Nicklz, am no longer pissed about my job situation”

In fact I’ll start a new thread in MPSIMS

It’ll basically say that I get to choose between the two largest dealerships in town. And that I haven’t decided to take either one because I want to talk to some other car salesmen friends about which place is the most relaxed. (auto sales is very stressful)
Although there is much more that will go into the other thread.