CNN analyst says this is a “big deal” that could really move the needle for Haley because of the huge amount of money that Americans for Prosperity Action has and will use to influence elections. “Millions and millions and millions of dollars in ads” for one thing.
I don’t think it will be enough to get her the nomination, but I still hope against hope for that very thin chance to come through. because a) Trumpers would probably pout and stay home for the general election; b) she’s not trump, no matter what happens, and c) she’s someone who can’t win the general election.
If it gets some of these dipshit Republicans off of the Trump train, I’m all in favor. Go Nikki and Kochs, and Kochs and Nikki!
Koch Nikki you’re so fine
You’re so fine
You blow my mind
Koch Nikki
Haley has no chance as long as Trump is in the race. If he leaves, then she’s a strong contender. At the same time, Trump dropping out would spark chaos. What happens next depends on when and why. Koch money is nice, but I heard $70 million, rounding error in an election that will run over a billion. Predict that future? Ha.
Yes, I doubt this is going to have any chance of actually getting her the nomination; nothing will, short of Trump dropping dead (hey…we can all dream, can’t we?). As noted above, if Trump actually did drop dead at some point in December, there is going to be utter chaos. Every Republican with a moderate media profile and some visibility would be jumping into the race at that point.
Haley would be preferable to Trump, in the way that smacking your thumb with a ballpeen hammer is preferable to being run over by an 18-wheeler.
Sounds like a porno, or a film by Rainer Werner Fassbinder.
Haley is dead-in-water as long as Trump is in the race regardless of Koch backing. And for anyone who thinks that Haley is so much better than Trump, recall that she downplayed the January 6 insurrection and opposed the second impeachment proceedings following it. Even if Haley could be elected, she’d just be a way for the GOP to shroud itself in supposed inclusion while continuing on the same path of proto-fascist autocracy.
Ok, 2 things. She would not be as Democratically destructive as Trump would, and she did take down the confederate flags in SC. So she aint Trump.
I don’t want her to be the fucking President. I wish her well to be the one who ain’t Trump. FFS.
A Republican who is not Donald fucking Trump is not Donald fucking Trump.
The ballgame we’re playing here, … it sounds like you may have been away from it for a spell. This guy Trump, he’s a doozy.
Would some Trump supporters stay home in a Haley-Biden race? Yes. Would some vote for a far-right third party? Yes. Would both groups be outnumbered by centrists who like what they have heard about Haley but can’t stomach Trump’s boorishness? On that last one, we of course do not know for sure. But the only public evidence is the polls, and they say that Haley is a stronger general election candidate than Trump.
I personally think that Trump is a danger to democracy that Haley is not, and so hope she get the GOP nomination.
Let’s see how hard she goes after Trump now - I wanna see her go all Chris Christie on him. If not, then she’s merely running for VP.
Regarding this development in general, I approve of anything that widens the schisms in the Republican party. We “think” the Trumpers will stay home on election day of he is not the nominee - fine. But do we think the Haley-ers will also stay home on election day if Nikki is not the nominee? Either way, if a decent number of Republican voters pout and stay home, especially in those key purple states, it is good news (in a “Bernie Bros” sort of way).
I agree - let’s cheer-on this news! Go Nikki! Suck it, DeSantis!
Maybe even worse. Trump was actually his own worst enemy once he was in office, and any vague notions of an actual agenda never has a reall chance of being achieved; hell, he didn’t even manage to build “Wall” despite that being essentially the only clear plank of his campaign platform.
Haley is an actually smart and experienced politician who openly seeks a highly restrictive federal abortion ban, wants to repeal Obamacare, make cuts to Medicare and Social Security, eliminate regulations intended to address climate change and withdraw from the Paris Agreement, and feels that the Florida “Don’t Say Gay” Parental Rights in Education Act is not sufficient in its prohibitions. Haley could potentially get a lot of this done and get reelected while the GOP gerrymanders democratic representation into meaninglessness.
Trump isn’t the problem; he’s a symptom of a much larger problem which is a general turn toward authoritarianism by the increasingly harder ‘right’. Trump is just an appealing (to many Republicans) manifestation of this desire, mostly because of how shamelessly he says the quiet part out loud. However, that brashness is also his undoing. Another, more measured Republican could actually do even more damage, and in a more deliberately irreversible way.
I feel the same way. Get after the orange fuckwad. The Koch bros backing with finance is quite interesting. I doubt they’d back a candidate with tons of cash to be very timid. Unless they just want a Koch-backed VP…
Waiting for Trump’s bash at the Kochs. That might piss off the ultra wealthy.
The immediate effect is a silver stake and sprig of garlic into the heart of the DeSantis campaign. If DJT is forced to drop out, she gets the nomination and the MAGAsses sit out the election, Biden surges to victory.
Are you arguing that Trump is less likely to end American democracy than Haley? If so, I’m not sure what I think of that.
Ah, but Trump himself has a high likelihood of paying attention, especially if Haley’s spending really takes off. If and when his ego gets injured, I can see plenty of potential for ripple effects.
I think the GOP is making a concerted effort to end American democracy, and Trump is just the guy brazen enough to make actual statements about it because he’s mostly just a spastic troll who doesn’t think past his next Big Mac attack. Haley will do many of the same things (perhaps with a somewhat less racist tone), only she’ll be far more calculated and effective at doing them, and will probably be able to leverage incumbency into an advantage to have a full two terms.
First, this. If she isn’t serious in being the actual candidate, it makes no difference if the Koch goes into her pocket, it’ll still end up supporting Trump if she’s the VP. Secondly, does anyone think for a moment that if Trump wins the primary, as all expect that Koch won’t fund him? Sure they will, because they’d rather him (or his VP if he drops dead in office) than Biden. So again, I find the report being mostly a nothingburger.
Second this - the ONLY good thing about Trump is that he was, other than packing the SCOTUS, -largely- ineffective. He cares about himself first, second and further on down … the Republican party as a whole is so far down his list that it isn’t even funny. They exist to empower and reflect his glory - Haley would try to use the Republican party, with both charm and threats, to enable her (and possibly the Koch’s) priorities, rather than enjoying the chaos and playing “who loves Daddy best” with every legislator who needs the endorsement.
Yes the GOP is all bad but there are several different layers. The
is baddness within normal parameters.
On the other hand, fire the entire federal bureaucracy and military leadership and replace them with hand picked loyalists. Arrest oppoistion party members and try them in kangaroo courts. Crack down on journalists who criticize the administration. Is a whole different faction, epitomized by Trump and also by DeSantis, Ramaswamy, and any of the members of the freedom caucus.
I believe that Halley wants what she thinks is best for the country, even though I disagree vociferously with her in terms of what actually is best. Trump and his ilk on the other hand would gladly watch it burn to the ground so long as they came out on top.
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