No Reach-Around For You, Asmodean

The BBQ Pit
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I welcome differences of opinion on the boards, especially in Great Debates. I can even tolerate hicks, bible thumpers, squirrely debaters, and candidates for retroactive abortion.

But I cannot tolerate Asmodean. I cannot abide his gall. His willful stupidity. His relentless “I’m a South Carolina Hick So I’m Gonna Shove My Head in My Sphincter” attitude. His latest remarks in an the Republican Platform - Racist have absolutely confirmed my opinion of him. The thread is certainly inane, but Asmodean takes inanity to a new nadir.

Asmodean, when they spray your whitewashed plantation with the pesticide that kills one-celled organisms, you better run like hell.

Observe.

JDM comments:

To which Asmodean wittily replies:

Puh-leeze. If slavemasters like Helms and Thurmond are elected over and over again, who the fuck does represent the south?

But this is not enough for a Pit Rant, obviously. As most of you probably know, I am a New Yorker. I also take politics and my voting rights quite seriously. So what does Assmodean say, still trying to squeeze out his little turd of an argument?

Stop right there, Gasmodean. I asked myself if it were time to roast the little fucker over the third rail of the greatest subway system in the world. But no. I figured I would ask him what the fuck he meant by that snarky little insinuation. He was quite clear.

They elected Hillary because of the publicity around her name.

Yeah fucking right.

It’s possible that that this Appalachian shitstain might be hoodwinked into voting for someone for a specious reason (oh wait, he already did!), but I’ll be damned if he is going to claim that I threw away my vote because I was deceived by Hillary’s publicity. This is a fucking affront to my intelligence, to my political values, and to the integrity of the electorate of New York State.

You want to generalize about why this country’s rednecks consistently vote that polyp floating in formaldehyde back into office? Fine. Your senator, your state. But don’t fucking try to jam me and others of my political beliefs into the same hole where you stick your own sorry political dick.

Don’t ever insult the way I exercise my voting rights again.

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Dude. He totally called you out. You gonna take that dude? I mean, no reach around even. Bro, that’s rough. You gonna take that? Come on man… Stand up… Defend Strom. Lord knows someone has to

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Wow Maeglin. I give you a 9.5. Especially for the title.

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Just to poke my nose in here, I spent the first 48 years of my life in a small-town backwater of Upstate New York – the area that sends the Republicans to the Senate and Assembly. And we as a community were progressive conservatives – not a misnomer, like the Canadian party (which got its name from a merger) but people who largely held to tradition but were ready to espouse positive change that we could see beneficial. Three years ago we moved to rural North Carolina.

Now granted that Jesse and Strom garner a lot of support from unreconstructed old-timers and conservative younger people in the Carolinas. (And I was amused by the idea that people voted for Thurmond because it was a tradition; their great-grandfathers did – only of him could this be said with accuracy!)

But let me throw some names at you: Josephus Daniels. Jonathan Daniels. Claude Pepper. James F. Byrnes. Tom C. Clark. Hugo Black. Sam Rayburn. Lyndon B. Johnson, prior to his assuming the Presidency. Notice anything in common? They were all Southerners. And they were all moderate-to-liberal. The old Southern Progressive tradition is still alive. Hell, I’ve shopped in the drugstore that was owned by the man who was the other grandfather of Harry Truman’s grandchildren; it’s in the nearest town to the crossroads where I live. Maybe Asmodean has some manure to clean out of the barn between his ears – I don’t know; I haven’t paid close attention to his posts, for the most part – but you appear to be tarring an entire region with the shitkicking mentality you claim to dislike in Asmodean. And it just ain’t so. Raleigh is substantially more liberal than Syracuse, NY. Atlanta is one of the most visionary big cities in the country, all things taken into consideration. In a recent study of construction trends in several major metropolitan areas for a major contractor, we discovered that use of MBE/WBE subs., which our client supported whenever economically feasible, was common and standard when not a government-contract requirement in only one area. Not New York. Not San Francisco. Not Chicago. Atlanta.

And, by the way, South Carolina was, so far as I know, the first state with an openly gay state official. He failed of re-election, and his gayness was an issue, but what appeared to be the deciding issue had nothing to do with his sex life, but rather related to his unpopular stand on a controversial local issue.

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“…polyp floating in formaldehyde…”

1.5 extra bonus points for ickyness.

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My biases are less directed towards an entire region than against a kind of individual whom I see represented both by Asmodean and by many prominent politicians from said region. I don’t want to fall into the old trap of saying “I have a good friend from Raleigh-Durham”, but I am finding it difficult to restrain myself, since I actually do. :wink: And all of them work very hard to get rid of Jesse Helms.

Your remarks, as always, are very informative. Other than Black, Rayburn, and Johnson, I am unfamiliar with other leaders on your list. I shall have to remedy that shortly.

Regards,
MR

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Ha!

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Let’s not forget to tell the whole story, Polycarp. I used to live there too. With the exception of a few wonderful cities, it’s pretty much the ass backwards thinking shit hole the rest of the country believes it to be.

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Polycarp- you left out Jimmy Carter and Jim Hightower (and, one could argue, in the “fanatical extreme” sense of liberal/progressive/populist, the entire Long clan).

I’d also argue that Lyndon Johnson actually was more of a liberal/progressive after he assumed the Presidency than before. As Senate Majority Leader, Johnson showed little interest in social legislation or civil rights; yet after becoming President, he ushered in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Great Society. While his activities in Vietnam were certainly hawkish, he was still extremely liberal/progressive in his domestic policy and legislation as President.

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I think there is a fundamental difference in outlook that I see regarding the Hillary/New York thing that goes beyond either politics or personal dislike.

On the one hand, there are a lot of people mystified that anyone would elect such an obvious political opportunist. “She’s not a New Yorker! She doesn’t care about New York! She’s just running to further her personal aims!” Such pronouncements have more than a grain of truth to them. Certainly Hillary had no special ties to New York, and her photo-ops with the Yankees and such certainly do have the appearance of phoniness. Also, it bespeaks a certain level of tribalism. “We would never elect someone who isn’t one of us.”

On the other hand, people who voted for Hillary seem to have a different outlook. “She’s smart, ambitious, and politiclly savvy. Her goals are similar to my own. I want someone like her representing my interests.” Perfectly acceptable, just like hiring someone to work for you, and that really is what an election is after all. The primary difference is the willingness to let someone from outside your little niche do the work.

I admit to having a little sympathy with someone wanting to “promote from within” so to speak, to have one of their own step forward. But in the end, I think that the second attitude is preferable, the one that says that you can trust the person to do the job that you elect them for, and that capability is more important than origin.

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Idiot.

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I’m not going to fight the shitstorm.

Much.

I’m a Southerner, and I’m establishing my bias right up front. I love the South, but not all Southerners. There are a lot of ignorant, bigoted, clueless hammerheads down here. That’s a fact. The unfortunate thing is that, in all my travels around the country, I’ve found that the percentage of dumbasses remains more or less constant, on an individual level.

That said, I object in the strongest possible terms any dipwad who votes for a reactionary fossil like Strom Thurmond out of tradition. That’s fucking stupid. However, Polycarp makes a good point. There are politicians down here who push for change, and really, how much fucking longer can that mummy Thurmond be around?

Tymp, I also object to your “backward thinking shithole” comment. Wanton generalization is never a very good idea. I live in Alabama, for God’s sake. Montgomery, Alabama, for the love of Pete. A more Southern city can’t be found from New Orleans to Norfolk. Yet them thar “homosexurals” (thanks, Landover Baptist) feel free to walk the streets without having armed rednecks chasing them, blacks serve all over the government, and so far, I haven’t seen a single lynching this week. Also, my job takes me out to every one-horse, dirt-road, farming community in this state. By and large, the people are friendly, concerned, and generally just want to be able to pursue their lives without too much interference.

I know you were talking specifically about South Carolina, but it’s very hard to believe the two places are that different. I mean, hell, you guys at least have Charleston. Most people are surprised I even own shoes.

One other thing, and this is a slight hijack, before anyone gets too down on the South, first consider what a widespread cultural influence this place has had on the rest of the country, and the world. Blues, jazz, country, bluegrass, just to start off the list.

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Asmodean, that was not a very helpful comment.

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Wow. Did it really take you all day to put that together, Asmodean?

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Ogre,

Montgomery is a lovely town. I’ve happily spent a good bit of time there. Charleston, Beaufort, Aiken, Columbia . . . these are all fine, lovely towns in South Carolina. I still stand by my comments regarding much of the state. You’re not going to catch me dumping on the South as a whole. If I didn’t love it, I wouldn’t have lived in Louisiana and South Carolina as long as I did. My love of things southern does not change my opinion that there are still many ugly things going on that should not be ignored.

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Nope, it didn’t take him all day. He had a team of monkeys work on it round the clock.

Fuck, Asmodean. Aren’t you the most dickless sod I’ve called out in awhile! I ask you to stand up for your asinine arguments in a place more friendly to vituperation and all you can do is call me an idiot? Well, as much as I hate to appeal to popular opinion, I’m pretty sure it’s not gonna vindicate you here.

Ogre, your comments are also very thoughtful. I am not of the opinion that the south should spontaneously cease to exist. Just those southerners of Asmodean’s ilk.

MR

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Tymp, for the record, I agree about Asmodean, and I think he/she should get his/her ass in here ASAmotherfuckingP to defend his/her indefensible statements. I gotta tell ya, Asmodean, just calling someone an idiot is not going to help your position. Come on in and discuss. And, if it gets a little heated, well, that’s the Pit, ain’t it?

My point back there was that as many places as I’ve been in this country, I’ve found the cool person/idiot ratio to be about equal.

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Maeglin,

I’m fairly certain that neither Helms nor Thurmond have owned slaves, so characterizing them as such is not accurate. But persumably you already know that and were exagerating to demonize those who have different political views. While I don’t have any delusions about the importance of my opinion to you or others, I can say that such ad hominem hyperbole does little to raise my estimation of you.

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This just cracked me up. What a motherfucking ringing endorsement.

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Oh! An insult! Maeglin’s been maligned! Quick, someone help Maeglin recover from such a scathing diatribe!

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Well I equate you with Stoid, which is to say your a idiot.

I have never voted for Strom Thurmond, I have no idea what he stands for on the issues. However I do know that I was joking when I said that. Note the smiley.

However you are a idiot if you don’t believe that publicity helps a person that would otherwise be in the minority win. There are more things to voting for someone than who will represent you the best. I really doubt that the democrats exactly represent you the exact way you want them to. Strom thurmond gets elected in part because of his publicity. I hope you arent denying this.

Don’t forget the fact that voter turnout is so low that a majority of the population never votes someone into office.

I do like you going to label the whole south racist then going with that assumption you can label all republicans racist. I guess you think jews are misers…etc etc etc.

Learn what a smiley face means though, if you can get it through your skull that people sometimes make jokes.

No one person can represent the south, no group of people can represent the south.

Maeglin do you actually consider yourself better than a bigot? You aren’t, you somehow think that the people in NY overall are better than the people in SC. Which shows that you are as stupid as a racist.

I’ve wasted enough time on you.