No-tell Motel of Sidekicks Unspoiled Heroes Mafia Thread (Players Stay Out!)

[Pleonast]

@sachertorte

Pleonast’s lack of revisit probably should have tipped me off. A Town player would have at least put in a full claim and/or tirade. But I figured Pleonast really was busy and not laying low/giving up.

Alas, it was out-of-game reasons which kept me from my usual participation level.

@Normal_Phase

I’d also like very much to hear a full claim from Pleonast. He seemed to be quite eager to have the Town divulge information earlier on, but doesn’t seem terribly forthcoming with his own now.

Suburban again. Ding, ding, ding we have a winnah. I think Pleo and Chipa are both scum. Chipa’s late vote switch doesn’t help him.

Pushing for a mass claim and unilaterally revealing one’s own information are distinct actions. It’s quite reasonable to be for one and against the other.

@ShadowFacts

OK, I grudgingly apologize to the town for the bad things I said about them. But it was still suboptimal play. They got lucky.

sach, your idea of revealing Cookies as [killer] and [not Town] is perfect. It would have been brilliant. Of course, with this group it may not have mattered - they may have lynched **Pleonast **anyway!

I considered adjusting what I revealed, but my instinct is always to play as I would if I were town. There was no townie reason not to reveal everything–I wasn’t sure how dangerous Cookies is, so I wanted to let everyone see all the evidence I had. (Plus, I needed to get the info to my teammates.)

And they got lucky that I was scum. Players should know by now that I don’t reveal information that I do not think will help town. The details of an investigator’s powers are one of those. Oh, and that reminds me:

@Chronos

Now, of course, it is possible that a genuinely Town Pleonast is just being eccentric and is just holding back information for no good reason. But first of all, I’ve never liked the argument of “Oh, that’s just so-and-so being so-and-so, let’s give him a pass”. And second, if he’s being so eccentric that he’s trying to take information to the grave, is he even, practically speaking, a power role at all? Is he even going to bother telling us his next investigation result? A detective who doesn’t share is effectively no detective at all.

This is so much nonsense. I wasn’t taking any information to the grave with me. I gave my one and only result. When dead, a player’s name, alignment, power, etc are all revealed by the moderator.

@storyteller0910

3. Buffy’s partner (it’s Angel, right? It’s gotta be Angel) should claim immediately, if not sooner. I am not Angel, nor Buffy’s partner.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Somehow it’s become conventional wisdom that a lone mason (either initial or after the others have died) must claim immediately. That is poor policy. What’s the worst that can happen for not claiming? A scum claiming to be the mason? That will provoke a counter-claim and you’ll get a one-for-one trade. Always a good thing for town.

@These are my own pants

storyteller, I’m just wondering what the advantage of revealing you have powers are if you don’t reveal what they are

Obviously, there’s still a lot of work to be done in getting players to realize that the revelation of information need not be a binary all or nothing.

@ushimitsudoki

1. Wolverine
   Outside posting anything beyond “I don’t think this guy is Scum, but I’m voting for him anyway” there’s nothing there. Leaning Scum.

2. ScubaBen
   I don’t think he even voted yesterDay. I’m not sure at what point you think someone is lurking too much, but I really, really don’t like the idea that a player doesn’t even vote. Leaning Scum.

3. suburbanplankton
   Generally agree with his reasoning, but he doesn’t seem to be the first to put it out there. There’s the whole pronoun thing to. Leaning Scum.

4. Meeko
   Deplorable math skills, but hasn’t done anything I’ve seen scummy. Leaning Town.

5. astralrejection
   Consistently votes Wolverine. Most ineffectual Scum player ever or a Townie truly suspicious? Leaning Town.

6. cometothedarksidewehavecookies
   I’m not going over Cookies’ case again. She should be dead, but obviously has bewitched people in some sort of weird voodoo ritual. The sad thing is a Cookie vote toDay is more uncertain than one yesterDay.

7. storyteller
   I don’t like the partial claim, especially because it just so happens that we can’t verify anything about it. Seems awfully convenient. On the fence.

8. Chronos
   Couldn’t get his facts straight with a ruler. Couldn’t summon a coherent argument with 7 virgins to sacrifice and a pentagram made from Spock’s ashes. Leaning Scum.

This is exactly what every player should be doing. Unfortunately, ushi’s insults are blinding others to the useful contributions he is making.