Aldebaran, perhaps you can point us to the source you got your quotes from? I mean, since you seem to have gone to the trouble of looking them up and all, you must have the web pages, right? Or maybe you got them from a single web page?
I know. There is a lot of mud slinging going back and forward.
Notice that I said in my original post:
I did not say I claim it.
I say many people in Israel make such claims. Which is true. You only have to listen to some of the settlers to know their intentions.
I also said there are quite a few famous quotes in that direction coming from Sharon. Which is also true, like it is true that he is responsible for a few massacres in the past, as he is responsible for ongoing civilian deaths.
I don’t say I researched them.
I don’t even make the effort to research the veracity of any “quote” attributed to the Arab side of the conflict.
The Israel/ Palestinian conflict is far away from my field of study and I really am not interested to get myself occupied with it.
Yet when asked to come up with such examples over and over again in a rather childish persistent way, spread over this thread an an other one?
Why not give the children something to play with?
Salaam. A
I see that anything Aldebaran posted that had even vague relevance to his claims has already been debunked.
I am not interested in debating the Mideast Question here either. I was specifically interested in seeing documentation of your claim about Ariel Sharon, or any evidence that there is some tit-for-tat equivalence between American (or Israeli) media treatment of Arabs (especially something government-sponsored) and the example from Iranian TV posted in the OP.
No such documentation has been provided.
In future, rather than posting a list of isolated quotes, it would be helpful if you cited them in the context of a reputable web source.
Rather, I suspect that all of the quotes you supplied were cut and pasted from a site like this one. If such is the case, I suggest that you acknowledge it.
Why are you repeating this when you have been shown to be in error?
Rather careless, don’t you think?
No, I don’t have them from “web pages”.
I don’t see the internet as a “source” that could be considered as “reliable” when I can’t be sure I am reading an official website from an official organisation/institution/government.
But I’m quite sure you can find a lot of such things on various websites.
Just like you can find a lot of “quotes” form the “other side” on a variety of websites.
This is the great “advantage” of the internet. You can set up a website and put on it whatever you like. (Sometimes I feel like of setting up a website promoting a new religion and see how fast that New Doctrine spreads.)
Luke refuting a quote can easily be done and be spread by publication on any website. That does not give credibility to anything. If you want to go after an author of whom you suspect was distorting a quote (or inventing one) you need to make him retract what he wrote. Publicly.
Still, even when he does this and even when his writings are considered to be distorted or having a false or incomplete approach of an issue in a wide circle, his writing shall stay around and shall be read and shall live a long life.
Salaam. A
Oh, Aldebaran, you really fucked the old goat right in the bunghole this time, didn’t you? Pulling a bunch of made up quotes off of a racist website in order to “prove” your point. One good thing about it, though. That’s exactly the type of thing a real resident of the Middle East might do, after all, most of those websites are aimed at them, so you’ve enhanced the believability of your SDMB persona.
You’re an idiot
-Your post is my cite
So can attributing one to begin with.
Zev Steinhardt
Why should it be “careless” not being interested in whatever any side of this conflict “says” about the other side and how this is spread around ?
I’m not interested.
Do you want to come across as defending Ariel Sharon as the Great Arab Lover? If so, you really need to take a step into reality.
You asked if such quotes exist. You come even to an other thread to make this remarkable request.
I give proof they do exist.
Or do you argue now that they don’t exist, just because you think they may be false or wrongly attributed or taken out of context?
They still exist.
Salaam. A
And you know what’s “funny” Aldebaran?
As I was reading through your quotes the first time, I somehow knew that the Sharon “we control America” quote was going to be there even though it really has nothing to do with anti-Palestinian rhetoric.
:rolleyes:
Zev Steinhardt
Of course.
I didn’t say I attribute anything to anyone.
I give a little example of quotes that exist, mention where and how and to whom they are quoted and attributed.
Do you argue that they exist? If they don’t exist, then where do I get them? I didn’t invent them.
Weirddave,
Drinking champagne a bit before the right time, celebrating the New Year already?
You sound quite drunk of delusional celebrating something that only exists in your mind.
Salaam. A
This has nothing to do with defending “Sharon as the Great Arab Lover.” This has to do with properly attributing statements that he made. You may want to revile Sharon for things that he said and/or did, but first make sure that he actually said/did them.
What proof? You stated that they happened. You gave no proof at all.
Why? Because you say so?
To make sure I understand here:
You get to say things and have them taken as (forgive the saying here) Gospel. All the while you provide no links to anything. OTOH, other people (myself included) provide links disputing your statement, and your response is “Oh, anyone can set up a website.”
Guess what? Anyone can make up a quote too…
Zev Steinhardt
Salaam. A
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I wasn’t accusing you of inventing them. We’re just letting you know that they are fakes.
A person can pass along a fake document (the Protocols for example) and state that he didn’t make it up… he was just passing it along. That doesn’t mean that the Protocols are genuine.
IOW, just because you found someone who said that Sharon said that he controls America doesn’t mean he actually said it.
Zev Steinhardt
It is? I don’t know, I just copied one at random choosen page of my files. I have a lot of them. Don’t say you want them all. The hamsters would be sad.
Salaam. A
Isn’t there a quote somewhere where Aldebaran wants to kill Americans ?
IOW, you don’t care if the material is even on-topic. You just post one screed after another…
Zev Steinhardt
Zev, where did I state “they happened?” I said that they exist. They do, no? I didn’t just write them myself.
Salaam. A
The question of Jackm. was not “on topic” He asked quotes about “Israely politicans”. I knew on forehand the reaction.
Salaam. A
Those weren’t just any websites. The first is a program of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, the second (and third) is an established non-partisan media-monitoring, research and membership organization devoted to promoting accurate and balanced coverage of Israel and the Middle East.
If you publicize “quotes” such as crap you posted above, you are responsible for spreading lies. Just as are the filth-mongers who publish blood libels against Jews.
So you posted not knowing, or not caring, that you were spreading lies - in order to “give the children something to play with”? This behavior has a name, and it rhymes with “bowling”.
You have given nothing of the sort, you pathetic liar.
So does The Protocol of the Elders of Zion. It is still false.
You pathetic toad. You did better with “my post is my cite”. That at least was funny.
Well, one of us does, anyway.