North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016.
But this time they definitely [del]won’t pull away the football[/del] will do it!
Also if you need a little primer on the differences between the Iran deal and this North Korea thing, here’s a great article on it.
Ravenman,
It is you who do not understand a thing. Iran is a nation that still burns our flags, and chants death to America. Their leader did not sign, because they have no intention of being on record for agreement. The whole thing was founded on a welcome fool’s hope, and that fool was American.
Iran is on record for wanting to destroy our ally, Israel. And with nuclear weapons, they could do it. Any attack on Israel would likely see them hitting with everything back and drag us in. They never changed their language, even after the funds were transferred to them.
Iran did not halt testing of their long-range missiles, did they? No, they did not. At least North Korea is.Iran’s Supreme leader did not meet with our President. They only wanted our cash and frozen assets freed up to fund among other things terrorism. And we gave it to them.
As far as inspections go, what didn’t we have to wait 20+ days? What’s the point of an inspection then?
The Supreme Leader ( Ali Khamenei ), is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces and the provisional head of the three branches of the state (the Judiciary, the Legislature, and the Executive). He would need to sign to make it valid.
He did not.
More on the power he has can be viewed below:
You need to talk to the inspectors with technology to detect radioactive signatures months after they have been removed. The inspections prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons. There will be no inspections in North Korea.
Add the NK meeting to ending the Iran deal, and Trump is really helping our enemies. Iran got the money we owed them from decades ago, and now they can end the inspections and nuclear restrictions if they want, all because of Trump. Thank you Trump for helping Iran have an easier path to nuclear weapons, with no benefit to America! And thank you Trump for helping Kim with incredible pageantry, legitimacy, and praise, along with ending joint US-SK exercises that NK has wanted gone for decades, with no benefit to America! Well done Trump for helping our enemies and gaining nothing for the US!
Back in the 70’s a generation of Americans did the same thing.
And some of them you shot, but never mind, look how far you’ve come since.
Mind you, at the current rate of diplomatic progress by the end of Trumps second term your allies will be burning flags whilst your ideological enemies will be signing beachfront condo deals in the Rose Garden.
I understand Iran. You don’t understand the JCPOA. For example…
Not only do you have this wrong, are you aware that there are scientific inspection techniques that are effective in detecting the presence of nuclear materials for far longer than it could take to eliminate them? Some of these methods were used to detect that North Korea had cheated on the Agreed Framework.
Furthermore, the important part of the JCPOA is the end to end visibility for the IAEA of the entire nuclear production cycle, not the promptness of looking behind one particular door. This is well-known to people who study these matters.
If Iran didn’t agree to the deal, why has Trump’s Secretary of Defense and top intelligence officials repeatedly testified under oath that Iran is carrying out its commitments under the deal?
Will this actually lead to verifiable denuclearization? No of course not.
Is it better than two madmen swinging their missiles at each other arguing with each other whose is bigger? Also yes.
So far at least there is no there there but not being there is better than where they were. Sharing a delusion of seeing themselves as having accomplished something is better than threatening to blow each other up.
Your problem is, you’re still insisting on the same magical thinking that caused the Iraq war to be such a cock-up: “We’ll be welcomed as liberators!” You want an instant, irrevocable fix for every single problem, all in one magical “signed document”, but that’s not how the real world works.
You don’t overcome decades of hostility overnight. It’s a long drawn out process of engagement, backsliding, and re-engagement. It will take years to get Iran or North Korea to a point where they won’t be chanting death to America. And it will take years to get people like you to stop reflexively assuming all Iranians are evil monsters who’s only desire is to destroy Israel and the US.
And this is the process that Trump will fail at - in fact, has already failed at with regards to Iran. Because he has the same magical belief in the One True Agreement That Will Fix Everything. He doesn’t have the patience to shepherd a years-long process to completion. The first time NK balks at anything, he’ll rip it all up and declare it a failure.
So, in addition to all the above, you clearly don’t understand the role of Ambassadors, either.
And I guess Secretary of State John Kerry didn’t need to put his signature right there in the middle of it either.
Or - perhaps - the SoS and his opposite number in Iran are in fact empowered to sign agreements on behalf of their respective administrations. Just a crazy thought.
You mean some people in Iran burn our flags and chants death to America. Trump is helping those people by justifying their fear-mongering. Is that good for us?
You mean their “Supreme Leader” did not sign it, because he’s an anti-US religious fanatic. For similar reasons, the US Congress did not vote for it, which is why this is an Agreement and not a Treaty.
But that doesn’t really matter, because both sides were adhering to the agreement. All the things you are complaining about (missile tests etc) aren’t even part of the agreement.
It almost sounds like the flip side of the coin of Sovereign Citizen thinking: Agreements/Treaties can only acquire their Magical Power to Matter if it’s signed by this one guy. Presumably while standing under a flag with a gold fringe.
The notion that real-world governments are complex systems of interrelating and overlapping responsibilities is lost on him.
Using your conveniently loose standards: The U.S.A. is a nation that rapes children, has sex with animals and frames innocent people for murder.
And that’s just the failed Republican Senate candidate from Alabama!
The USA congress did not vote for it because they knew better, and Obama told them one thing and did something else regarding how Iran accessed funds.
Iran would not agree to stop missile testing, which is a reason why there is no mention of it.
I realize this is heavily Democratic board, but I’m seeing blind political faith trump objective reasoning.
Had Obama actually been able to persuade Congress to sign it, and the leader of Iran to sign it, only then could you call it a treaty.
Spinning a fact into senseless reply? No my standards were not loose, just factual.
It’s an agreement, not a treaty, and it’s an agreement that Iran was abiding by and would prevent them from obtaining nuclear weapons for 10-15 years or more. And Trump blew it up, hurting America, and gaining nothing, except helping those Iranian factions that distrust America and believe they need nuclear weapons at all costs.
So Trump hurt America and helped Iranian fanatics, while hurting Iranians who want peace and trade, all because he hates Obama. And now he’s helping Kim Jong Un, with no benefit to America, all because he wants the photo ops and admires dictators.
What did he tell them and what did he do?
Right. But Obama (and leaders of other Western nations) decided stopping the nuclear program was a worthy goal in itself and worth lifting some sanctions in exchange. Iran didn’t agree to do everything we wanted them to do, but it agreed to do the most important thing.
It would be like if North Korea agreed to abandon nuclear weapons but refused to dismantle their conventional weapons, or refused to start having democratic elections.
So what? It was a mutually beneficial agreement that both sides were complying with. And if the US hadn’t backed out, Iran would not be resuming their nuclear weapons program now.