Soon, we’ll have heard most of the major players (Hillary, Biden, and Obama) speak at the DNC. That’s probably for the DNC thread. However, I believe that it would be on-topic for THIS thread to discuss how Obama and Biden have looked, as a team, both in and out of the convention, polling as a result of the convention (one said that Obama was DOWN, but then, as I said, he hasn’t spoken yet), and much more.
So have at it! What do you want to debate about re: the Democratic presidential ticket? The original OP was specifically asking about the choice of Biden, but (I think) it’s acceptable to spread it out a bit, isn’t it?
(Sorry to not have much of my own to suggest; I’m considering this more of a continuation of the closed thread than one of my own. I’d love an orderly transition that doesn’t step on too many toes.)
I would think the Republicans would want to avoid mentioning bin Laden, given the Bush administration’s inability, and apparent lack of desire, to catch him.
All right. Take the lame attempts at humor and post them somewhere else.
If you have an actual observation about the (proposed) policies or the effectiveness (or lack thereof) regarding the Democrat ticket, post here. If you simply want to make lame jokes, take it to MPSIMS, or if you need to take swipes at the Republican ticket, take it to The BBQ Pit.
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I know that this is still just an IMHO rather than a GD but having heard Chet Edwards and Biden both speak last night, and having been rooting for Edwards (and thinking that he only didn’t get the nod because of his now unfortunate last name), I gotta say that Biden was the right choice. By far.
So far polling (today’s not out yet and would be the first to show the effects of Hillary’s speech and when Convention bump effects usually start to show significantly) have shown, if anything, a VP dip rather than a bump. No positive convention effects yet, as fine of a job as we sycophants think they’ve done.
Question: has a sizable VP bump ever correlated with electoral success?
The bolded comment seems a strange judgment to make, considering you’d just finished saying that there hadn’t been any polls out yet that would show any effects from the convention.
In any event, the non-existent bump effect that you mentioned? Couple of days ago, Obama was down in Gallup’s daily tracking poll by two points, with 44% to McCain’s 46%. Now?
I’d call going from a two-point deficit to a six-point lead a pretty sweet little bump. And Obama himself hasn’t even spoken yet.
Of course it’s all temporary, since the Republicans will likely get their own bump next week. But I just wanted to counter the idea that “we sycophants” were the only ones who think the convention’s doing a good job at making the case for Obama/Biden.
I’m still not enthused about Biden; I would’ve preferred Kaine, Sebelius or Richardson, three smart, capable governors who, to varying degrees, probably could’ve delivered their states. I still expect Biden will make some real whopper gaffes in the next two months, but I guess I’m warming to having him on the ticket. The convention has gone well, and the political tide nationally seems to be running the Dems’ way. All in all, I’m cautiously optimistic.
I think it’s legitimate to note that Obama / Biden reads as stated above when read quickly. It should be broken up visually (over/under) or colored differently to avoid this.
I loved Biden’s outspokenness earlier this year when he tore Giuliani a new one in the debates and his candor in calling Bush’s Iranian appeasement bullshit just that, but his speech last night didn’t grab me. I really was hoping for a witty scathing indictment of McCain and what we got was a stuttering feel good message. He did point again and again where Obama was right and Bush/McCain was wrong, but it wasn’t a great speech.
Hey, I am thrilled that Gallup is showing some movement but to be fair Rasmussen is still just tied. I had not said that polls so far would not “show any effects from the convention” … I had said that today is when the convention effects “usually start to show significantly” … a different statement. The “yet” is because these polls are moving averages and I’d expect to see some slight movement as a result of day one. That said the real effect is best measured by the result that get reported on Monday after. This may be the start of that bump. So we’ll see. I’ve been expecting one, albeit a modest one, getting him back to his 7 pt lead and dropping back to 3 pts after the GOP convention.
I’ll be surprised if Obama doesn’t show a significant bump, and I’ll be surprised if McCain gets enough to cancel it out, and that’s not purely wishful thinking.
First, I expect more people the Democratic convention to get much higher ratings because of the curiosity factor (will Hillary steal the nomination? will Barack levitate over the crowd’s heads or change water to wine?).
The week before this convention, the Democratic party looked disorganized and divided (a division that was greatly exaggerated, but not without some basis in fact). So far, the convention has succeeded beyond expectations at presenting the party as unified and strong. That reflects well on Obama (if he can get rank and file Democrats to agree on something, Congress and the Russians should be easy). BUMP!
For some people, this will be the first time they hear and see Obama in action in more than soundbites. They’ve already seen that his wife doesn’t actually look or sound like a terrorist, and they’ve heard about some of his goals and past achievements without them being filtered through hostile mediators. BUMP!
Contrast McCain. The nomination was settled years ago. No surprises there. McCain’s biography and positions are pretty well-known to anyone who cares about national politics - the guy is a longtime senator who ran for president not all that long ago, after all, so people aren’t as to learn anything about him that would make them think more positively.
ETA: Unfortunately, my political predictions are almost always wrong, but here’s to breaking the streak!
Will I go to hell for hoping that Gustav swamps Nawlins, revealing FEMA’s and the levees’ unaddressed shortcomings and making Bush (and by extension, McCain) look bad all over again?
It seems to me that this forum is almost totally obsessed with Mrs. Palin. But it also seems to me that I don’t know much about Mr. Biden.
What’s his story? I know I could look it all up, but I think it’s time some attention was paid to the Obama/Biden ticket and this is the first thread I could find mentioning their names in the title.
The Republicans have succeeded in getting all the media attention for a week now. How is Obama going to get it back?
