And $1.6 billion for the Wall is also $1.6 billion more than Trump said that he was going to need for it. Mexico was going to pay for it, remember? Because Trump was so great at making deals, that he’d convince them to do it? Well, maybe it turns out that he’s not as good at deals as he said he was.
I don’t like Trump at all. I don’t think he is particularly intelligent in general but an idiot could not have accomplished what he has financially. He is a bully in the business world as many others are but he might be one of the best at it. He has not regard for anything other than “winning” and it has served him well. He may look like an idiot in the world of science and philosophy but he must have exceptional business insight to have built his empire.
I would like to what liberals goals you are referring to and why why their advancement would be so detrimental.
FTR, that was what *Tillerson *called him, after dealing with the man up close for a year or so.
To be fair, since I find the discussion interesting, he did give his answer in post #84.
Did you read post #84?
ETA: ninja’d
Take a look at this article. Its a few years old.
Ontario just increased its minimum wage a few months ago. I’m curious to see how this plays out over the coming years. Business people will always oppose paying employee more claiming it decreases profits making them less competitive. Social activists want a higher minimum wage because they want to redistribute wealth.
Personally, I would love to see everyone earn their own way. Successful people will always say that the poor just aren’t working hard enough. My ideology is based on my Dutch upbringing. But, I know in my head that the world would be a worse place if everyone thought like me.
I guess because I live in Canada, I get to see the results of the redistribution of wealth. Come to Canada and see it for yourself. Its not perfect here. We still have the poor. We even have destitution. It’s very sad. But when I travel the States especially urban America, I can’t help thinking, “Why are you doing this to yourselves?” There are lot better ways to live. Look that the chart above as just one example of the numerous things that could be done to help out the poor.
Single payer health care is an inferior system for sure but overall, it is much more efficient and democratic. I’ll take it any day over seeing people living is squalor.
To answer the OP, the thing I find the most similar and agree with between 45 and Obama is their goals on immigration, the biggest difference being that 45 has no interest in DACA recipients one way or another and would probably prefer that they were deported, whereas I realize that it was not their fault they came here illegally and often are not even familiar with their “home” culture and language anymore.
So to that end, I have tried to listen to 45 speak about immigration, as opposed to instantly turning off the radio, and still ended up having to turn off the radio due to his incoherency and inarticulateness. I wanted him to stop agreeing with me since he was doing such a bad job selling the idea that we should enforce immigration laws. I’ve had that happen with Obama on other issues occasionally, but I have agreed with and did not mind hearing Obama speak the vast majority of the time. These days I’d enjoy it even more as a contrast to a moronic-sounding president.
I read an unsupported, contrafactual profession of faith there. Reason, not so much.
They said they offered to agree with Trump’s FY2018 request for the wall. And you haven’t provided a cite that they are lying; you’re providing cites that they didn’t do anything other than agree with what Trump proposed in his own budget. Which apparently was unacceptable to Trump because they did not offer to fund the wall at a level that is an order of magnitude greater than what Trump himself asked of Congress in his own budget proposal.
Yes, because you’re confusing two issues:
- Graham and Durbin said they would fund the President’s request for the wall as part of a DACA deal. It doesn’t sound like they drafted precise legislative language that was made public, but they ran to the White House to explain their proposal, which the President then rejected.
- What you’re quoting from IS NOT a summary of the Graham/Durbin proposal. You’re quoting from a summary of the omnibus budget bill passed in March, which did not fund the wall, as opposed to the Graham/Durbin offer to Trump made in late January.
Do you understand that you confused two separate issues?
I try not to hate anybody. But I’m sure I’m far from alone in not thinking very well of either Obama or Trump.
Now it’s true, Obama from all I can tell is a more decent person than Trump personally on basic stuff like fidelity to his wife and healthy mentality toward his children. I think the ‘Trump wants to screw his daughter’ thing is overblown actually but by all accounts Trump phoned (and phones) it in as a dad for the most part, and has long basically bragged of making a fool of his wives with his cheating. Likewise I think ‘grab em by the pussy’ is overdone as a result of politics but Trump is a borderline lizard even if he’s not the second coming of Harvey Weinstein. No evidence Obama is anything like that.
OTOH I think Obama is quite an arrogant guy and I don’t have nearly as high as opinion of his intellect as he seems to have. I think he demonstrated himself a poor leader in practice. I also admittedly just don’t see the world the way he does ideologically.
Trump is in his own way at least as arrogant and has at least as much too high an opinion of himself. I don’t think Trump has an ideology (I think Obama has/had a pretty strong one he tried to downplay sometimes). Whether Trump’s unconventional disorganized intuitive (certainly not conventionally thought through) style will end up more effective I don’t know. I do know some people hate Trump so viscerally they are unwilling to acknowledge any positive possibility about him. They really want him to fail, badly, and will make almost any excuse to say everything he does is a failure. Of course there were people like that about Obama also (whereas I’d say Obama succeeded on getting some policy things done [but that I by and large don’t agree with]).
I have no opinion on his arrogance but, like my mom asked me when I expressed doubts whether Hillary was qualified to be Secretary of State, “who would be better?” I don’t remember any other president in my voting lifetime except maybe Bill Clinton displaying as many leadership qualities. No one can accomplish great political things in the face of steadfast obstructionism.
The first Bush was dignified but lost amidst political weakness and poor messaging despite a victorious Gulf War. The second Bush only seems like a great leader in comparison to the current resident.
To each his own. I respectfully strongly disagree.
Huh? Idiots go bankrupt all the time.
The proper level of “doneness” for “grab em by the pussy” would have been somewhere past “losing the election for the Presidency”. Given that he did not, in fact, lose that election, I think it’s safe to say that it was not overdone.
And of course Obama’s arrogant. The fact that he ran for President is pretty strong evidence of that. Would you prefer that the only people who get elected are those who don’t run?
It would be astonishing for a President of the United States, or even a serious candidate, not to have a very strong sense of self-confidence, yes. Just as astonishing as it would be for political opponents to ascribe negative personality traits to him/her, perhaps even some that are euphemisms.
That point shouldn’t need to be polished up to be fairly clear, but I don’t want to gamble with things. The euphemism ElvisL1ves is talking about begins with a “u”.
Nationalism, as in “we will make this country great again”, promising to revitalize the economy and get the foreign influence out
Frequent ad hoc policy choices based on the leader’s gut feeling, aides left scrambling to fill in the gaps
Foreigners and different religions portrayed as serious problems (one had Jews to scream against and the other has Muslims, one wanted only pure Germans kept and the other wants only true Americans kept)
Both had a few trusted advisors but at the same time a ruthless “You’re Fired” mentality when officials dared to disagree
Both suspicious that behind their backs someone doesn’t believe in them, they want to get rid of people who are suspected of having doubts
Both gave confusing orders that put their subordinates in a bind - loyalty vs correctness and/or loyalty vs doing right
Both used “they have been lying to you” as very major parts of the campaign that first got them elected
Both caused major policy conflict in their own party when they controversially took the leadership, because neither of them fit with or was interested in what their party’s policy was up till then except in very general terms
Both aimed their main message at people who believed that the previous administration had been stacking the deck against them, and both told that group that other groups were to blame for the bad treatment they’d been getting (Jews, bankers, gays, non-Aryans, the decadent, and foreign governments; or, Muslims, Mexicans, reporters, PC, welfare recipients, and foreign governments)
Hitler shot people, had people assassinated, and started a huge war on his own borders. Trump is allowing bombings in faraway places, but though that’s arguably bad it’s definitely different. Trump isn’t pulling a gun in cabinet meetings as far as I know. Trump isn’t using overt violence as part of his administration and isn’t parading the army in the streets of New York. But otherwise their methods of getting things done are about the same.
It’s not their policies, though of course there are a few similarities. It’s how they work. They’re the same kind of man but in very different circumstances.
For the OP:
Both wanted to change Healthcare
Both increased national debt
Is Trump continuing drone attacks at the same level Obama did?
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Huh? Idiots go bankrupt all the time.
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Correct. But look at him now. Like it or not.his name is a brand.
President Donald Trump’s net worth fell $600 million over the past year
The man couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.