Criminy’s sake, will some people here get a &$^%# grip on themselves…
Meanwhile let me subscribe to Spice Weasel’s statements. On both right and left one of the biggest annoyances to those trying for some improving-real-lives reform is that usually it’s an ideological hardliner who does nothing with his/her life but read and write about the ideological, who gets to stand up and loudly proclaim what is the “right” way to be feminists, non-racist, patriotic, etc.
There is a cartoon out there - there must be - now, of The White House with a big TRUMP logo on it.
And this is a sign of the way that anti-liberal discourse over the past 50 years has affected perception.
Because as an educated person, there is no good reason for you or anyone else to find her so odious. She is a mainstream, moderate politician whose sole genuine flaw is a lack of charisma.
Easily.
What specifically was so odious about Hillary Clinton?
Logistically mass deportations and a wall are not possible. Even if they were attempted (and I believe they will be)
It’ll be plated in solid gold soon enough. Honestly though, the White House is shit compared to the living accommodations that Trump is used to.
Not conversion camps, per se, but conversion therapy.
More importantly he can’t make Healthcare more affordable for the working poor with his plan. He can’t bring back factory jobs. He can’t make America what they want it to be. He’s going to be breathtakingly disappointing to the people who believed in him most. That’s where things get ugly.
Here’s a question: what happens if he tries to jail Hillary Clinton? What happens if he doesn’t even try?
(And Bricker, I’ll get back to you on your post; I want to save the research for when I’m more awake. Suffice it to say for now that I’m neither impressed with Republican/libertarian opinions on health care costs or the idea that it’s generally morally feasible for people to die because they can’t afford health care.)
And the anti-Republican discourse.
No matter what he fails to do, he will blame his political enemies, and all you weak-willed people who believed him because he told you what you wanted to hear, will believe him yet again, because it is easier to hate an “enemy” then to blame yourself.
The anti-Republican discourse has been based on things that Republicans have actually done and said. It is in no way comparable.
Do you honestly think that is a cite that proves the original assertion? Do you?
If not, why can’t you just accept that it was wrong??
I’m not seeing your point. Bricker asked for a cite for:
The cite I provided states that Pence wanted to use public funds to pay for conversion therapy. I conceded that there was no mention of “conversion camps,” but - as Politifact pointed out - Pence did advocate using public funds to pay for conversion therapy.
Where is the disconnect?
He won;t, and nothing.
Trump protects Trump above all else, and jailing Clinton - which he can’t personally do anyway - would not be in his own self interest. IT simply invited his successor to jail him.
Trump has been involved in any number of shady business dealings for as long as I’ve been able to walk and how many days has he spent in jail or on trial? Not a one. He’s very, very good at protecting his own ass.
I am so tired this morning…hey, even Houston tried. As for those sneering at the “smug” liberals…I am not an ivory-towered liberal and frankly except for this board don’t really know that many in person. But I do meet and deal with every fucking day people whining about “reverse discrimination” (oh, they’ll say, you know I don’t mean you); that the “swamp” needs to be drained but they keep voting for their little piece of stagnant water. I feel bad because it feels like there are apologists who keep saying, “I’m not a bigot so you can’t call them bigots no matter what they say or do. You need to acknowledge the rightness of their bigotry and just maybe they’ll let you keep some of the rights they feel entitled to.” I come across more people in person bitching about “reverse discrimination” than talking about “white privilege” More people complaining about “minorities getting what they don’t deserve” because of course getting stuff they don’t deserve is normal and how it’s always been. And I’m sorry, all the “nonbigots” who voted for Trump because “change” or “blow up the system” or whatever the fuck they wanted have made it perfectly clear they don’t actually give a fuck about bigotry - they really don’t. They don’t have to live with it and it ain’t their problem so those who do need to deal with it just need to shut the fuck up. Because it’s annoying.
My son (28, active duty Navy and Bernie Bro, but voted for Hillary) is a little more cynical then he was yesterday. He is convinced that this country took one step forward with Obama - and three back with Trump. He says he’s been waving off the sexist and racist shit his white fellow sailors have said - surely most of the country doesn’t feel like that? - but now feels a little more alienated - and my freakin’ family have been in this country for more 6 fucking generations - and only the last 2 generations have have anything close to fairness. But we are supposed to pretend we did them wrong.
Me and mine with survive this. I made it through Reagan (who made my life more difficult) and Bush Jr (who also made my life more difficult). I know eventually the markets will stabilize…eventually. I have every expectation that Trump’s policies will make my life more difficult (but it’s not like he and his every gave a fuck about me and mine as long as he can’t see me, right). But it’s not like I can quit America. Just think, I get to call Trump “your president” for the next four years (yeah, I got a LOT of that around here too).
I think it’s Obama’s legacy. Bush II spawned Obama, now Obama has led us here.
In aviation, there’s a situation know as pilot induced oscillation. When a pilot is descending for landing, but feels he’s coming in too steeply, he pulls up. But he pulls up a bit to aggressively and now over corrects down, so he has to pull up even more steeply, and then give even more down. What starts out as barely a ripple in the flight path ends up as uncontrollable pitching that usually ends in a crash.
Reagan was the start of our oscillation, and we end up after a series of left-right over corrections at Trump. If Obama wouldn’t have tried so hard to steer the country to the left, Hillary would be the President elect this morning.
That’s just my opinion, and I didn’t vote for Trump.
I have always been proud of my country, always thought I lived in the greatest country in the world. You could call that patriotism, or you could call it arrogance. This morning, I am truly disgusted, sick to my stomach, ashamed. The fact that half of the voting public of this country could elect this horrible person sickens me. A person endorsed by the KKK, whose racist beliefs and values will likely set civil rights in this country back 50 years.
I think I may kill myself. There is no where to go and no where to hide. :mad:
The “thrown in” part.
When people describe Obama in terms like this, I really wonder what world they are living in. Obama was for all intents and purposes a moderate Republican president. His policies would be recognizable to Republicans all the way back to Eisenhower.
His entire oresidency consisted of Obama moving to the right to seek a solution, only to have the Republican Congress shift even further rightward. Under these conditions, how exactly could he have been less liberal?