I just got an email from him. And he CAN read the board too because he answered a question that I had posed in About this Message board only this morning.
In that case, it might not be completely unnecessary to do this:
HE OSCAR! STOP BOTHERING INNOCENT PEOPLE!! QUIT PLAYING A FUCKING MARTYR, AND FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER PLACE TO VISIT! WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE, NOR DO WE WANT TO BE HARRASSED BY YOU OVER E-MAIL, AIM, ICQ AND WHATNOT.
There. That oughta do it. Right?
FTR, I have not received any form of communication from this dillweed so far. Let’s hope it stays that way.
In my time here at the Straight Dope (I’ve been reading a lot longer than I’ve been posting), I’ve only heard trace mentions of this guy. Sounds like somebody who just wants to make himself heard, in any way he can. You know, the whole “fame and infamy are the same” mentality.
Goddammit. It appears no trouble is too much for this kid. After my last message, he apparently felt the need to download and install ICQ just to be able to talk to me. Nice webpage, he said. Since I don’t HAVE a webpage, this strikes me as an odd conversation opener. Oh well, I briefly replied and put him on ignore.
(FWIW, the page in my profile is my workplace).
OK, he sent me an e-mail after reading this. Saying he’s non-confrontational, and that this was his last e-mail. OK, let’s hope that’s true… I for one am in no mood to be his next Speakers Corner.
(I took the URL out of my profile, just incase it got me into trouble)
Heh. I read Coldfire’s 3:19 am post and just knew he was gonna get contacted. And sure enough, he did.
I can’t believe I went and e-mailed the Starburst people for a psycho.
I know you still read the boards Oscar, so:
Alright you little freak. If I receive one more email, IM, ICQ or any other attempt on your part to contact me, I will send an email to your school’s network admins, and it won’t be nearly as nice as Lynn’s was! I have had just about enough of you and your little games. I don’t know why you have some sort of obsession for me (I suppose one shouldn’t be nice to stray dogs if they don’t want to be followed home) but I do not appreciate feeling stalked. If I discover that you are impersonating me on this board, or on AIM, I will take whatever measures I have to to keep you away from me.
I came here to check back in to see if Lynn had responded to my question. I came to post some reasonable things. However, an angry mob is an ugly thing and I don’t think what miniscule recognition I may have on this board is going to add any weight to my posting so I guess I won’t bother to post what I was going to. I know the unsolicited IMs/e-mails/ICQ are irritating but I believe there is more to the situation. I’ll just lurk and wonder how and why OgreFade=loverock/gl0worm/etc.
Hell, we let Contestant#3 back how many times? Rhetorical–don’t answer.
Evilbeth (and just how evil ARE you?),
I think that others have answered your question about Oscar’s communications. As for Contestant #3, we let him back once. He was banned, came back under another handle, banned again, another handle (repeat as needed). Finally, he asked to be allowed back, very politely, and we allowed him to come back. HOWEVER, C#3 did not threaten to spam the board, or seriously interfere with the workings of it. THAT’S what got Oscar banned, no matter what he’ll tell you. Anyone who does something like this gets banned forever, no coming back.
I guess I don’t know about IM’s. Don’t they have a block sender function like email? (The one I had seemed to, but it was with another service and I lost it.)
On AOL, one can recieve IMs from other AOL customers, and AIMs from internet users. IMs have a “Notify AOL” button on them. AIMs don’t (and they should, in my opinion). Neither of them has a “block sender” button on them, when using AOL (and again, they should, in my opinion).
I have a buddy list and I enjoy seeing when my friends sign on. I cannot have a white list for my IMs/AIMs, because I’m an administrator here and sometimes people need to talk to me. I can’t have a black list AND a buddy list at the same time.
Basically, the problem is that ONE person here (and I think we all know his name) cannot understand the words “no” and “go away, you’re bothering me.” Clearly, he’s not just hassling me, or just hassling the Straight Dope staff, he’s hassling a lot of our posters. To me, this indicates that the problem is with him.
Lynn, I know some other people attempted to fill me in on what happened but I wanted to know your side of the story. I know how the Mods are about not wanting regular posters to speak for them. I also noticed that you are the only Mod posting on this thread (actually concerning OgreFade directly. I am not counting the little blurb by David B.) so I figured the banning/info only had to do with you and no other Mod. Thank you for responding.
I guess my biggest problem comes from the fact that his actual name, school and non-registered e-mail address were posted for anyone to see on a very public message board.
The people he IM’d had their IM info in their profile voluntarily for anyone to see and I assume, use.
I know he had multiple usernames. I also understand why he was frustrated. The guy had been blasted for almost every post since he came here. Sure, he wasn’t the sharpest pencil in the box but to paraphrase a popular Christian thought, aren’t we supposed to be fighting ignorance and not necessarily the ignorant? He was sick and tired of everyone just basically giving him a fuck off whenever he posted. I’ve been here long enough to know that if you don’t start off on a good foot, you better either polish up your butt-kissing technique or get some really thick skin. His skin was apparently too thin for this place and he wasn’t really into sincere butt-kissing so he tried just a regular e-mail asking to come back.
I did not think his threat was a serious one but you apparently did and it is your job to handle such matters as you see fit. If you (and others in power) considered it to be a dangerous threat, then it was. I don’t really have a problem with that. So, you didn’t let him back–big deal. It was how you dealt with his communications after that I have a problem with.
So, you wanted everyone to know that there was a place they could give information if they felt they were being harassed by OgreFade–that’s fine. What the hell was wrong with posting, “I have gotten many IMs from OgreFade and I know I am not the only one. If anyone else feels harassed by him send an e-mail to me and I will forward it.” OR if you were too busy, how about, “Here is the address to send complaints about OgreFade’s IMs. It goes to the support for his school.”—and leaving it at that!
True, the people who were receiving Ims and e-mails from him already had his real name but all the people reading this thread did not. Initial Entry for one, he didn’t even know who OgreFade was until reading this thread.
Like I said, who am I and what does it matter, I just wanted to voice my concern over privacy issues here. I mean, if someone can just find his Social Security number, we can steal his identity and commit heinous crimes in his name!
From some of Oscar’s IMs, AFTER I had told him not to IM me:
" OgreFade: So why is everyone a dick to the west coast population
LynnBodoni: Go away. It’s not the west coast population, it’s YOU. Goodbye.
OgreFade: Actually no… I’d like to have a nice conversation with you.
OgreFade: You DO NOT know me. So why do you insist on judging me?
OgreFade: Have I EVER done anything against you…
OgreFade: said anything bad about you?
LynnBodoni: I’m not interested in having ANY conversation with you, at all. Go away.
OgreFade: why? You affect my posting status
OgreFade: you want me to go away
OgreFade: BLOCK ME
OgreFade: I’m tired of this
OgreFade: Yes that is a little anti harrassment button.
OgreFade: So if you don’t take the proper steps to make me go aaway its not harrassment.
OgreFade: With that said. You can kiss my ass.
OgreFade: You have done NOTHING to make my posting experience a better one.
OgreFade: All you do is make it worse
OgreFade: i’m not seeing how that is good moderation
OgreFade: Your callous snips are not witty
OgreFade: they’re rude.
OgreFade: What the matter mommy and daddy didn’t give you enough attention?
OgreFade: Is that why you’re taking it out on others for no reason?
OgreFade: Lil trouble at home with the family?
OgreFade: have to go live a an internet cop to get away from your mundane life full of tedium and a cheating hubby or something?
OgreFade: Can’t handle a few spelling mistakes?
OgreFade: You do backflips through lava to make sure that I can’t post. Yet I’ve done one thing wrong… I had two accounts.
OgreFade: Thats perfect
OgreFade: you take somene who was a newbie…
OgreFade: and ostrisize them
OgreFade: hahaha
OgreFade: I can’t even beleive that.
OgreFade: If i were you… I’d go take a long walk and think about how my actions reflect on others
OgreFade: and I’d probably beat my kids or something to… because you need an out let…
OgreFade: I’m gonna leave now…
OgreFade: but I’ll be back the next day… and the next day.
OgreFade: I wouldn’t try to blame me for anything that happens to your board either.
OgreFade: If the board goes down… It won’t be because of me. I never made a threat. I’m just hoping that you guys don’t hate me so much that you blame me for everything that happens to the board. I never intended to hurt the board. I could blow up the moon with enough c4… you might wanna call nasa on that threat… "
I think it’s fairly obvious here that Oscar intended to harass me repeatedly. I also knew that he was harassing other people. He brought this on his own head.
Incidentally, he’s also tried to re-register and post under another couple of screen names since he’s been banned. I’ve had to take very strong measures because he didn’t respond to milder requests and warnings.
I had no choice but to put his last name on the board. It’s part of his school address, and without it, he can’t be reported. People have their IMs listed for use, not abuse.
Nobody needs to worry that this will happen to them, unless they start abusing people. Then, I bring out the big guns. I gave Oscar plenty of warnings to back off. So did the other moderators and administrators and even other posters. He didn’t back off until I took these drastic steps.
No, he was sending HARASSING emails and IMS to the staff. We told him no. He didn’t accept that. He didn’t accept the fact that we were not interested in getting IMs from him, at any time. He was harassing us. He said that he was going to keep on IMing and emailing us to restore his privileges and make him a moderator. Even after I contacted his school and reported him, he kept sending me an IM each time I signed on. This is harassment. He didn’t stop harassing me until I posted the school address and his name here. I’m guessing that several other people reported him.
Again, I have never done anything this severe before, and I certainly hope that I won’t have to do it again…but if Oscar had LEFT PEOPLE ALONE WHEN THEY TOLD HIM TO, this would NOT have happened. I hope that he learns something from this. Namely, that no means no.
that bit you’ve quoted above, Lynn, certainly looks like ol’ Troll there merely cut and pasted what everyone he hassled via IM told him!
People, if you are on AIM or AOL, just block him! Yes you can block some and not the others. Stop encouraging the kid to continue IM’ing you! You’re making drama out of something that has such a simple solution.
He E-mails you? mark him as a junk mail sender. He IM’s you, put him in the “not worthy” list and go on your merry way. And, no I don’t think his personal information need be divulged for the purpose of sending notification to his ISP, there was definitely a more tactful way to do it.
Just .02 worth.
-Sam
You can’t have a buddy list AND an ignore list at the same time on AOL. I’ve explained this before. Maybe if I say it again it will sink in.
A more tactful way? Pray tell, what would that be? Most likely I tried it before resorting to this. In fact, I DID notify his ISP without putting the info on this MB, and he still harassed me.
He didn’t stop the harassment until I put up his email.
Lynn, I was under the impression that you could choose to block certain screen names from seeing you on their buddy list. You can also block their ability to IM you, all while leaving yourself visible to the rest of the world. Granted, that doesn’t help if Ogre were to keep changing screennames, but it is a start.
I think it is under the privacy button of the IM box.
Lynn, you CAN block certain people and let others through. I still have a whole list of blocked people and I still have a buddy list. Please go to list setup, privacy preferences, and there you will find a set of choices:
1-block all but who you wish to speak with
2-block certain people and let others though
3-block all, period. (AKA Ghosting)
So stop complaining about the software, and learn it’s capabilities. You’ve been able to do this since at least AOL 3.1(4 years ago).
Secondly, I think that Beth had a better alternative. Have people contact you if there is the need for an ISP E-mail. I don’t care who you are, you should not be releasing peoples personal info on the http://www.-Harassing or not.
In fact, I could see a real good lawsuit if somehow Oscar came to harm through your releasing his info(simply hypothetical). I hope you understand that. Flame all you like, but the minute you start publishing people’s info that they wished private, you’ve broken your ethics, and assumed liability for all subsequent harm done to that person.
My .04 cents this time…
-Sam
You can post every single IM you have ever gotten from anyone if you like, it still doesn’t change the fact that someone’s first and last names, school name, and school e-mail are displayed on a public message board for the entire world to see!
Again, I will point out that the problem I have is with his personal info being given out. I don’t care how irritating his IMs are–irritation with someone is no reason to plant all the seeds for ID theft on a very public posting board.
In your very first post to this thread, you gave out his first name for no apparent reason at all. You included the e-mail of the person that should be notified of his harassment–that was all that was needed. Yet, you went on to post a copy of the e-mail you sent to him–this includes his last name. There was absolutely no reason for you to post that.
I guess you posted it to show us that you really did e-mail him–like we wouldn’t believe you or something. Perhaps you thought that the posters he was IMing needed a template in case they, too, wanted to report a complaint. Come on, this is a board dedicated to fighting ignorance–if the posters are smart enough to use the internet and Intstant Messaging then they sure as hell could be trusted to figure out how to format their own damn e-mail.
Forget this, it’s stupid. I just think it sucks that anyone’s personal, private information can be divulged just because that person has irritated someone else.
Maybe that disclaimer should be put in the FAQ–“Any and all information we can discover about you is subject to posting for the general public if it is decided that you are bothering people and we can’t come up with a different solution to stop it.”
Let’s see…
A harrassing piece of flotsam is protected under the , er, uh, 55th ammendment…Nah! that’s not it.
Well, then, the right to privacy is protected by the er, uh,…sumbitch! There must be something that protects this weasel under the constitution.
Other than common courtesy, what, praytell, does this board owe to this “slimebucket”? And he used up his common courtesy chit.