"Oh Fetch!" (lame)

[Reloy3]

Thank you, I’m stil not sure I qualify, but let me go through the checklist to see if myself, my Mom, my Dad, many of my friends, my Wife, and my kids qualify for your scorn.

@Giant_Spongess

Okay, I’ve dug myself a hole, time to attempt to tunnel out.

Good luck.

@Giant_Spongess

Utah is one of the more peculiar states in the US,

at least in the top 50.

@Giant_Spongess

in part because of its unique foundation as well as its current socio-political atmosphere.

true of every state I’ve ever lived in.

@Giant_Spongess

I will state now, that unless you have lived here, you really don’t know know what it’s like. I know, I know, that’s kind of an emoish thing to say, but it’s true.

I don’t live in Utah, never have - am I clear now? My religious beliefs are ok with you now? I happen to be about 3 miles outside of Utah right now, am I getting the evil Mormon rays, or do they stop at the border. Does my countless hours in Utah qualify me to speak?

On the other hand, my Mom lived there growing up. My Dad too. And my in-laws. Maybe its genetic. I better read on.

@Giant_Spongess

This place is built upon the concept of “Us and Them.”

So, when you call them Mo-Mos, hypocritical, make snide coments about their beliefs, etc. and blame it on an “us and them” attitude. Well, you certainly seem to have the “me vs. them” attitude.

@Giant_Spongess

The Mormons ran away from persecution and plopped themselves in a barren land next to a salty lake.

How dare they!

@Giant_Spongess

From the beginning, you have an insular society, cut off both physically and culturally from the rest of America.

Yeah, living hundreds of miles from those who tried to kill you will tend to keep you from staying in touch with all those wonderful “normal folk”. My ancestors really tried to keep insular, you know, with all the hotels and theatres being built almost before any other stucture in Salt Lake Valley, and helping build the railroad and all.

@Giant_Spongess

Fast forward a couple hundred years,

Speaks volumes about your knowledge of Mormon History.

@Giant_Spongess

and while a lot has changed,

Like what. As a potential moronic backwoods insular hayseed, I need it pointed out.

@Giant_Spongess

there is still an element of “Us and Them.”

So, you don’t like them because they think you don’t like them?

@Giant_Spongess

The Mormons still run everything

Yes, after all, as the majority of long term residents, they should sit back in their hovels and wait for you enlightened outsiders to introduce us to commerce and such.

Ok, Mo-Mos are Mormons who open stores and shop in them.

@Giant_Spongess

–it’s nearly impossible for a “gentile” to get elected to public office, especially outside of SLC. It is, of course, unspoken, but Everybody Knows.

Really? Hmmm. I must have not gotten the memo. The only one I received was the frequent instruction from the LDS Church that they do not endorse parties, candidates or platforms - and a member of the church shouldn’t imply that they do. Even Rocky Anderson, current SLC Mayor and no friend of the Church admits that the LDS church tries to stay out of local politics.

So, Mo-Mos are Mormons who run for office and win. Or vote for them. Got it.

@Giant_Spongess

The LDS church affects everything from getting a cup of coffee to the public transportation system.

“Damn those Mormons, creating an environment that vexes me. The morons should have just wasited for me and my companions to arrive and make the area just as I want it.”

Mo-Mos are Mormons who affect things. Check.

@Giant_Spongess

(On a side note, I knew from the very moment I heard about the 2002 Olympics that there would be pioneers with handcarts in the opening ceremony and damn if I wasn’t right.)

And at the Australian games I predicted an aboriginal theme. I guess I must be psychic, like you. I see that it would have been much better to be the only Olympic opening ceremony to ignore the history of the location of the games. Or better yet, make sure there was no mention of the pioneers at all. And I’m confused, does talking about the history of the region or even <gasp> celebrating it make you a Mo-Mo? Or is it that the people in the wagons? Historical Mo-Mos?

@Giant_Spongess

Now, here we have a very large community run by one unifying system, The Church.

Cite? Unified? Running the Government? the Poice? the Schools? the bars? everything? Maybe I am out of the loop. The State of Utah is just a giant conspiracy of Mo-Mos, and I’m not in on it. <sniff>.

@Giant_Spongess

Anyone born into The Church will be ruled by The Church until they die or until they leave (and even then it will still affect them powerfully).

So, it’s not just a Utah thing - it’s a Mormon thing. As someone born to LDS parents, I guess I am just a Mo-Mo robot. Thanks for enlightening me.

@Giant_Spongess

The thing is, The Church isn’t just a religion, it’s an entire social system.

“The thing is, Judaism isn’t just a religion, it’s an entire social system.”
“The thing is, Islam isn’t just a religion, it’s an entire social system.”
"The thing is, Catholicism isn’t just a religion, it’s an entire social system.

@Giant_Spongess

Everyone knows everyone through the church; and everyone cares about everyone.

How awful - Mo-Mos are social Mormons. Got it.

@Giant_Spongess

In some ways, it’s very supportive and positive. However–and this is a very large however–if one happens to be gay, or disagree with the very conservative expectations, there will be hell to pay.

Really? Who have they hunted down recently?

@Giant_Spongess

There is a reason Utah’s teen suicide rate is one of the highest in the nation.

So is it Mormons = suicide or living near Mormons = suicide? And why was Utah then behind 6 other states for thoise years. And why are teen suicide rates similar in most of the West. Those evil Mo-Mo rays are powerfu.

@Giant_Spongess

As for Mo-Mos: they don’t have any problems.

that they share with you. I wonder why they don’t open up more to you.

@Giant_Spongess

They are perfectly content to take the path set out for them. Everything they have done and will do is affirmed by their faith and their social structure, and they haven’t a worry in the world (well, that is unless they’re not married by 23 of course). My problem is with the sublime arrogance that stems from never having to make a hard choice.

Oh, Mo-Mos are Mormons that appear happy. Check. Then commit suicide and don’t tell you why - curse them.

@Giant_Spongess

The Way of the Mo-Mo doesn’t require much intelligence or creativity or even personality (a neighbor of mine likened it to the Invasion of the Body-Snatchers). Mo-Mos exhibit a curious sameness that’s hard to quantify, but seems to come from a fat self-satisfaction, the kind of happiness of always Doing the Right Thing.

Oh, were robots now. Actually, I have some cousins that are just like what you describe. They even live in Utah. Oh, wait - they are Catholics. My bad.

@Giant_Spongess

Even worse, the Mo-Mo’s response to those who exhibit independence or even mild difference ranges from confusion to disgust. A couple of days ago I walked by a girl who was all a-flutter about a girl with bright blue eyeshadow and a spiky belt. Oh noes! Better go read a couple passages of the Book of Mormon, to calm those nerves!

Ok, so teen girl in a mall dished on someone for disagreeing with her fashion choices, and it must be that evil religion thing. It’s a good thing no petty mall rats live anywhere else.

OK, I’m a practicing Mormon who is social, proud of my families history, was born in the church, vote - yep. I’m a Mo-Mo all right. Now, If I just lived in Utah.

[MLS]

On pseudo-swearing:

When we had kids, my husband and I decided that it would be better not to say words in front of them that we didn’t want them to repeat in front of others such as their grandparents and teachers. We were careful not to say things like “shit,” and “fuck.” But sometimes one just needs an expletive. So I tended to say something like “Oh, fudge!” when I dropped something on my foot, which happens a lot. Occasionally I got really creative. My kids still giggle about the time I called a person who almost ran into me in the parking lot a “turkey-faced nerd.”

However, since neither of us is religious, we didn’t really mind saying “Jesus Christ!” Fast forward about 15 years. I am working for actual money. The first time I say “Jesus Christ!” the woman in the next cubicle says gently, “Oh, MLS, you took the Lord’s name in vain.” Yep, I sure as hell did. I thought she was joking. The next time I said it she came over and said, very seriously, “I really do find it upsetting to hear the Lord’s name taken in vain, and I wish you wouldn’t do it. I don’t care if you say ‘fuck,’ though.” Great. Now I have more words to avoid.

The guys I worked with most were *very * amused at my euphemisms. There were untold jokes at my expense. “Fudge? Fudge? Ooh, golly, she’s really upset now.” The first time they overheard me come out with a genuine “FUCK!” when I found a particularly irksome bug in a program, they marked the date on the calendar and drew a red circle around it.

In all seriousness, it can be a good mental exercise to come up with satisfying and effective expletives that don’t use any of the traditional “dirty” or blasphemous words.

[Bryan_Ekers]

Gee, for a Mormon you sure have an attitude.

[Giant_Spongess]

sigh

Reloy3, feel free to take my posts as a personal attack against you, and a denunciation of all Mormons who ever lived plus the state of Utah. I will just state that I’ve never met you and I don’t care about how you act; I never said what percentage of Mormons I actually dislike; and I never said I disliked living here. I can understand why you’re upset, I just don’t understand why you would take so much time to try to argue with me. How about we just say you win, okay? I’m just a bigoted intolerant bitch with a victimization complex. Hurrah.

[Ogre]

@Reloy3

*snipped tiresome, monotonous, and badly structured “fisking”

Annoying. Unnecessary. Didn’t read.

Take another run at it, and this time, formulate your thoughts into something less than 75 pages of blather.

[Ogre]

@Reloy3

snipped tiresome, monotonous, and badly structured “fisking”

Annoying. Unnecessary. Didn’t read.

Take another run at it, and this time, formulate your thoughts into something less than 75 pages of blather.

[Dante]

@Reloy3

Thank you, I’m stil not sure <snip> I just lived in Utah.

Wow.

Obviously you took the OP exceptionally personally, but honestly, that was one of the most badly argued posts I’ve ever read. I don’t understand how you managed to sound rambling and disjointed even while quoting point by point. That’s … impressive in a way.

I take my fetching hat off to you!

[Diane]

@Giant_Spongess

Well, let’s see…

Yesterday, this girl told me she thought it was going to “hell”–you know, little balls of ice falling out of the sky. Also, tomorrow Dillards is having a “sell.” :rolleyes:

I’m 22. Pretty much every Mo-Mo my age has gone on a mission, gotten married, and preferably produced a child or two already.

Due to a certain amount of inbreeding, everyone looks very similar, therefore rather familiar. There are certain genetic typecasts–Blonde Cheerleader Girl, Football Boy–that repeat over and over. I keep thinking I see people I knew in high school, then realising how unlikely that is. Do you have any idea how annoying that is?
Of course, Mo-Mos aren’t the same as all Mormons. I’m sure there are some perfectly likeable ones out there…somewhere…but none of them were raised in the state of Utah. So my extensive research has shown.

Oh fuck you, you fucking little fuck. Is that better?

You know what? I DO live here and I am calling you on your hateful bullshit. I have lived in Utah my entire life except for the times the Air Force sent my family to live someplace else for a year or two. I am about as Mormon as the Pope, but I do know my share of them since you know, I live in Utah and all.

In spite of your lying attempt to spread your hateful bigotry, Mormons are no more inbreed than your run of the mill Catholic, Jew, or Baptist. I would think an expert on Mormonism such as yourself would know that the fundamentalist polygamous cells in Southern Utah and Northern Arizona are in no way associated to the LDS Church. If there is any inbreeding, it is being done in those sects. You know it and I know it so stop with the fucking lying, m’kay?

Nearly all of the Mormons that I know are just normal people, no more likeable, no more unlikeable than the general population. I am sure there are enough of us that like them that they won’t lose any sleep over the fact that some shrieking little judgmental harpy fuckhole hasn’t been able to find even one Utah Mormon to like. Your loss.

It speaks volumes on you when you back up your bigoted hatred with such monstrosities as dialect (OMG THE HORROR!!!) and your moronic inability to recognize people you went to school with. Funny, I have no problem telling people apart and I am having problems with my eyesight. You must be either blind or an idiot. I would wager a guess on the latter.

Your “us and them” claim is bullshit. I have lived here 43 years, both in small towns and large towns (including SLC). I am athiest, my best friend is Jewish, my daughter (who is 22 BTW and much, much more tolerant and mature than you will ever hope be) has friends who are mostly on the fringe and very much NOT Mormon (although she has friends who are Mormon and just as cool). None of us have ever been made to feel like “us and them”. The many Mormons I know are tolerant and accepting of my non-beliefs, just as I am of their beliefs. Too bad you can’t say the same for yourself.

I want to see a cite for your assinine comment “The Mormons run everything”. Prove it or retract it. I can certainly rattle off a laundry list of Utah owned business that are owned by non-Mormons. I can also give you a list of Utah officials and politicians who are non-Mormons. Ever hear the name Rocky Anderson?

Tell me about this coffee thing? Public transportation? In detail please. My friend owns a coffee shop up north, is there a memo he missed? Are you trying to imply that there is no public transporation on Sunday, because if you are, you are sadly misinformed or lying.

As for your OP. I can, and do, cuss like a mother fucking, dick wringing bastard, but there is a time and place for it and a time and place that you have to pull off a little social decency. Screaming “YOU PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLES” at the big screen while watching the game in a pub won’t get you a second glance, but sitting in a quiet room with strangers, as I assume you were, rattling off “F bombs” right and left will convince me within seconds that you are a tactless, trashy, redneck. You want to be perceived as such, be my guest, maybe that is the perfect definition of you. Most people however, learn social behavior before the age of 16. You are 22 and I take it a slow learner. It’s okay though; sooner or later (we hope) you will grow up and understand that it doesn’t take a four-letter language to be one of the “cool kids”.

[Giant_Spongess]

You know, I would fight back, but I wouldn’t want to thwart anyone’s painfully obvious desire to be offended.

Have fun!

[Diane]

@Giant_Spongess

You know, I would fight back, but I wouldn’t want to thwart anyone’s painfully obvious desire to be offended.

Have fun!

You don’t offend me, not in the least, I’m not Mormon remember? Just wanted to call you on your bullshit and bigotry, and yeah, it was fun. Thanks.

[Monty]

Giant_Spongess: Perhaps you would be so kind as to post the definitions of
[ol][li]mo-mo[/li]emoish[/ol]

[Monty]

Here’s a question you may or may not find interesting: Why didn’t you just go to a state school in the state (outside of Utah) where you were resident at the time? I might be mistaken, but I think most state universities are pretty good places to get an education. The state university from which I received a degree certainly is.

[Monty]

@Exploding Kitchen

Pot, meet kettle.

This line, in conjunction with the username, really cracks me up. I now have an image of a kitchen purposely exploding and the kitchen yelling, with more than a little glee, the quoted line.

[Diane]

[QUOTE=Monty]
Giant_Spongess: Perhaps you would be so kind as to post the definitions of
[ol][li]mo-mo[/li][li]emoish[/ol][/li][/QUOTE]

Mo-mo is a term heard here in Utah. It is just a disrespectful way of saying Mormon. You know how the word “fetch” replaces “fuck”? “Mo-mo” is a word that replaces “Mormon” except the people how use it are a lot more annoying.

My guess is that “emoish” is in reference to the Emo kids, a teenage subculture.

For someone who has such an issue with people using terms to replace real words, she sure flings her own around like shit in a monkey cage.

Speaking of words - Up there in my other post where I said “tactless” I really meant “classless”. That’s what happens when I talk on the phone and write at the same time.

[Reloy3]

Giant_Spongess - I apologize.

I have taken a little time this morning and read through your posts in this thread again, then I read through some of the posts you’ve written in other threads, and you seem very cool. Actually amazingly cool. The kind of cool person I’d love to hang out with if I were cooler.

Upon reflection I can see that you did not mean to cause offense, so - no intent no foul.

I probably flew off the handle a little bit, and your thread was just the final event of a lot of frustration on this issue. I have lost two jobs and a girlfriend because people didn’t like my religion. You got the brunt of something you didn’t merit.

The truth is, “fetch” annoys me to no end, but no more than any other overused word. My personal pet peave is the frequent use and misuse of the word “awesome”. Aaagh. I had a college roommate (not in or from Utah) who used “fetch” as every other word. I eventually got him to quit (or at least slow him down) when he was preparing for a date and I told him if he used “fetch” on his date, his date my think it was both a command and an insult. He laughed and got the hint.

Truth is, I know some major twits that are very similar to what you describe as Mo-Mos. They are irritating in some indefinable way. Many of them are Mormons, many are not. Many are from Utah, many are not. But I don’t assume they are Mormon just because they are twits, nor can it be asumed being Mormon led to them being twits.

And again Giant_Spongess, I’m sorry. Please forgive me and maybe we can be friends.

[norinew]

@Reloy3

And again Giant_Spongess, I’m sorry. Please forgive me and maybe we can be friends.

Whoa, whoa! What’s with all this fuzzy, furry, hugs and sunshine bullhockey? Don’t you know this is the goat-fetching pit, for Pete’s sake?!? What are you, some kind of turkey-faced nerd?

[Helen_s_Eidolon]

I know next-to-nothing about Mormons (although I do know a Mormon now and he’s pretty cool) but it’s a sad fact that there’s a subgroup of people in almost every religion and ethnicity which does not comprise the whole, but does share certain characteristics with each other that others find irritating. It’s certainly the case with my religion/ethnicity, and I’m certain it’s also true of Mormons. If she is condemning only this group - which it seems to me she is - I don’t think what she said is offensive to the non-included Mormon.

[Lambo]

@Monty

Here’s a question you may or may not find interesting: Why didn’t you just go to a state school in the state (outside of Utah) where you were resident at the time? I might be mistaken, but I think most state universities are pretty good places to get an education. The state university from which I received a degree certainly is.

Well, there’s always the strong possibility that the state she was in at the time did not consider out-of-state college students ‘residents’ for the purposes of allowing them in-state tuition. I seem to recall that many states had more stringent residency requirements for getting an in-state tuition rate than they did for, say, voting in that state.