"Oh Fetch!" (lame)

Well, let’s see…

Yesterday, this girl told me she thought it was going to “hell”–you know, little balls of ice falling out of the sky. Also, tomorrow Dillards is having a “sell.” :rolleyes:

I’m 22. Pretty much every Mo-Mo my age has gone on a mission, gotten married, and preferably produced a child or two already.

Due to a certain amount of inbreeding, everyone looks very similar, therefore rather familiar. There are certain genetic typecasts–Blonde Cheerleader Girl, Football Boy–that repeat over and over. I keep thinking I see people I knew in high school, then realising how unlikely that is. Do you have any idea how annoying that is?
Of course, Mo-Mos aren’t the same as all Mormons. I’m sure there are some perfectly likeable ones out there…somewhere…but none of them were raised in the state of Utah. So my extensive research has shown. :wink:

As an ex-mo, it was considered to be equally offensive to substitute a mild oath for a scathing one. (At least in the Ward/Stake Center I was a member of, which was not in Utah.) As a non denominational Christian I believe that, in a perfect life, one would be able to supress both types of oaths. My life is far from perfect!

Me, I try to keep it clean around the kids, but I live in The Bush and am married to a commercial fisherman. Living amongst the wild and wooly folk who pass through my days, my language tends to be rather salty much more often that I would like it to be. Sometimes a fuel burning spewage of toxic epithets is just so satisfying, and sometimes nothing else will do. (Like the time the bear stuck her head in my window!)

As an ex-mo, it was considered to be equally offensive to substitute a mild oath for a scathing one. (At least in the Ward/Stake Center I was a member of, which was not in Utah.) As a non denominational Christian I believe that, in a perfect life, one would be able to supress both types of oaths. My life is far from perfect!

Me, I try to keep it clean around the kids, but I live in The Bush and am married to a commercial fisherman. Living amongst the wild and wooly folk who pass through my days, my language tends to be rather salty much more often that I would like it to be. Sometimes a fuel burning spewage of toxic epithets is just so satisfying, and sometimes nothing else will do. (Like the time the bear stuck her head in my window!)

Penn & Teller did a show about pseudo-profanity, and the folks who try to get others to non-swear by using different words. At the end, their point was: when you just substitute one word for another, all you’re doing is candy-coating it. The intent, the ill will, is still there. So basically, you’re not changing anything, just artificially making yourself feel like you’re a better person by saying “Sugar!” when you still mean “Shit!” So why bother?

Someone sent an e-mail to a list I’m on, with a subject heading starting with “Great Googly Moogly!” It makes me laugh every time I see it in my inbox.

I have also been known to use “crikey” and “golly” sometimes, particularly in e-mails to lists. I don’t like subjecting large numbers of near-strangers to curse words, and I think these substitutes express what I need to (i.e. “This makes me want to swear!”) without having to actually do it.

For instance, a fellow who I know well, and who I know wouldn’t mind if I swore in an e-mail to him, wrote something to the list which I felt really deserved a cuss. However, since I was sending it to the whole list and not just to him, I felt “crikey” was more appropriate than “Goddamn it, motherfucker!”

Maybe there can be some humour in telling them they misspronounced fuck, and giving them a quick pronounciation course in vulgarities.

“Oh fetch, the stick up my ass is annoying me”
“Sorry, but I couldn’t help but over hear you, you seem to have a pronunciation problem, let me help”
“???”
"The word you were trying to say is fuck, and it should be pronounced with a hard k sound. Try repeating the word after me, fuck " …

Can we have a discussion over whether “Mo-Mo” is racist invective or hate speech? Please? Pretty, pretty please? I’ll be very good for the rest of the next five minutes, I promise.

Well, for me it’s perilously close to hate speech. It’s a pejorative term for a certain sub-type of Mormon, which I stereotype and detest. I suppose I should be open-minded and liberal and all that crap, cause clearly they’re happy enough and I should let them be, but they’re just so damn irritating I’d rather just sneer. Of course, I feel the same way about emo-hipsters and dirty hippies.

On second thought, is it hateful/racist to dislike somebody for something they have control over? I mean, shitlocks take a lot of not-bathing to develop. The people who have them clearly made the choice–so is it wrong I want to run at them with a sheep-shearer? Same way with Mo-Mos. They could step out of their own narrow boundaries, and have more ambition than begetting fifteen children and becoming Ward President if they wanted to.

By damn, I think I just justified myself. :dubious:

Giant_Spongess - I need more details. What makes a member of the LDS Church a Mo-Mo? Just wondering if I qualify.

Lifetime Utahoo checking in. I have always, always, always hated it when the Mo-mos or anyone else does this. It’s worse than actually saying fuck because that’s what they meant, they’re just too pussy to say it. BTW, Spongess all your other observations are spot on too. But hell, at least there’s good coffee available all over now.
For the record, I often use “Mother-grabbing bastard!” It just rolls off the tongue.

Lao

Cartman?

Have you heard that’s kinda discouraged around here?

How about stereotyping yourself for us all, so we can shit on your group?

Oh, and Hoodoo and Sal. Go fuck yourselves! Then grow a sense a humor you mouth-breathing, sniveling morons.

Yeah, it’s Gringo.

Okay, I’ve dug myself a hole, time to attempt to tunnel out.

Utah is one of the more peculiar states in the US, in part because of its unique foundation as well as its current socio-political atmosphere. I will state now, that unless you have lived here, you really don’t know know what it’s like. I know, I know, that’s kind of an emoish thing to say, but it’s true.

This place is built upon the concept of “Us and Them.” The Mormons ran away from persecution and plopped themselves in a barren land next to a salty lake. From the beginning, you have an insular society, cut off both physically and culturally from the rest of America. Fast forward a couple hundred years, and while a lot has changed, there is still an element of “Us and Them.” The Mormons still run everything–it’s nearly impossible for a “gentile” to get elected to public office, especially outside of SLC. It is, of course, unspoken, but Everybody Knows. The LDS church affects everything from getting a cup of coffee to the public transportation system. (On a side note, I knew from the very moment I heard about the 2002 Olympics that there would be pioneers with handcarts in the opening ceremony and damn if I wasn’t right.)

Now, here we have a very large community run by one unifying system, The Church. Anyone born into The Church will be ruled by The Church until they die or until they leave (and even then it will still affect them powerfully). The thing is, The Church isn’t just a religion, it’s an entire social system. Everyone knows everyone through the church; and everyone cares about everyone. In some ways, it’s very supportive and positive. However–and this is a very large however–if one happens to be gay, or disagree with the very conservative expectations, there will be hell to pay. There is a reason Utah’s teen suicide rate is one of the highest in the nation.

As for Mo-Mos: they don’t have any problems. They are perfectly content to take the path set out for them. Everything they have done and will do is affirmed by their faith and their social structure, and they haven’t a worry in the world (well, that is unless they’re not married by 23 of course). My problem is with the sublime arrogance that stems from never having to make a hard choice. The Way of the Mo-Mo doesn’t require much intelligence or creativity or even personality (a neighbor of mine likened it to the Invasion of the Body-Snatchers). Mo-Mos exhibit a curious sameness that’s hard to quantify, but seems to come from a fat self-satisfaction, the kind of happiness of always Doing the Right Thing.
Even worse, the Mo-Mo’s response to those who exhibit independence or even mild difference ranges from confusion to disgust. A couple of days ago I walked by a girl who was all a-flutter about a girl with bright blue eyeshadow and a spiky belt. Oh noes! Better go read a couple passages of the Book of Mormon, to calm those nerves!

I could go on, but I’m not sure I’d be able to make myself understood. As I said, unless you’ve lived here, you really don’t know what it’s like. And Hoodoo Ulove, there was a heavy dose of irony in my chatter, hence the stupid smiley. But feel free to shit on my “group”, if you can call loners that.

I’m guessing that Mo-Mo is shorthand for Molly Mormon. If so, I think you need to reassess your own appraisal of what you’re seeing around you. One of your posts above, giving quite a few stereotypes, seems to be made in jest. Your last posting, though, seems to show that you really think the stereotypes are 100% correct. There’s no way that can be.

Or maybe I’m just being whooshed and you’re still just jesting?

To quote Lao Tsu . . .

I’m not sure what you think Molly Mormon is. Mo-Mo isn’t short for anything. And of course I don’t think stereotypes aren’t 100% correct, given human variability. It’s just that the variability is a little hard to see sometimes. :wink:

From my visits to SLC, the young people there seem to have a high proportion of punkish types, perhaps as a reaction to the general conservatism. I count this as a good thing. Actually, I’m sympathetic to your status as an oppressed minority, but still think you stepped over the line.

'Fraid I’d get a bunch of shit on myself, if I did that.

Wha…I’m not an oppressed minority, hell no. I’m a middle class white girl, I just don’t happen to be Mormon.
And you are correct about SLC, as a strong culture will create an equally strong counter-culture. I am not, however, living SLC (my place of origin) and the culture shock is a little weird. I even kind of miss the emo-hipsters and dirty hippies that plagued my old school, and I most certainly miss the non-white people which this place lacks.

So yeah, didn’t mean to derail this into the socio-cultural idiosyncrasies of Utah. Back to pseudo-swearing, dangit!