Particularly when “more harm than good” actually means not being closeted.
He may have suddenly remembered this quote:
" “Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” - Maurice Switzer, 1907
As an aside, there is a fascinating podcast about the “original” welfare queen that Ronald Reagan used to slander everyone on welfare. The woman at the center of it is no saint but also not what Reagan portrayed. Well worth a listen (four episodes).
Back to the thread.
Hi, another portion of the 6% of the US who identifies as Progressive Left! We scary!
Like the fact that the far left are loons.
So, your daughter is visiting for the weekend?
Pull the other one.
Anyone that’s really been following you knows you mean Trans people but you’re to chicken shit to admit that’s what you mean.
Thanks. Great info!
I’m in Canada, making us part of a trans(national) movement: even more scary!
Man, that straw investment is already paying huge dividends.
“It’s literally in their name” is the same kind of “logic” used by those who try to sell the Nazis being Socialists. The “Democratic” in “Democratic Socialist” has nothing to do with the same-named party. It just means that they think that Socialist ends can be achieved by democratic means. But, in any event, remember the 239th Rule of Acquisition: “Never be afraid to mislabel a product.”
Well,now you’re making me do research! DSA emerged from the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee, which was founded in 1973 with the explicit aim of working within the Democratic Party to push it to the left. In 1982, it merged with the New American Movement and became DSA, so I guess from that point on the “Democratic” part no longer referred specifically to the Democratic Party.
The organization grew massively as a result of Bernie Sanders’ 2016 campaign, and the influx of newer members has led it to move further left; for instance, it no longer excludes advocates of violent revolution and it has adopted anti-Zionism in place of its earlier two-state policy. Indeed, I see the national group has withdrawn its endorsement from AOC for being insufficiently anti-Israel, though the NY chapter still supports her.
However, it still devotes a great deal of energy to electoral politics, and the candidates it supports and endorses are invariably Democrats, so I think my original post was substantially correct. It is true, however, that it only supports very specific Democrats, and not the Party in general.
Yeah, anybody who is anywhere at all within the modern American “progressive left” mainstream supports exactly zero of these fruitbatty views.
(To be completely fair, some of them are worth thinking about for their rhetorical implications regarding some contrary positions, although they’re not defensible in their own right. For example, the idea of complete “decolonization” of the Americas by mass deportation of all non-Native-Americans is absurd, but what does that say about the extremist anti-immigrant positions at the other end of the spectrum? It’s considered fair nowadays for white-majority nations that arose as settler colonies, with governmental systems derived from white European cultures, to declare that nobody from elsewhere is allowed into their territory without official say-so, and if they snuck in without official say-so they can be kicked out. So then why is it unfair for descendants of indigenous inhabitants of the region to demand a mulligan in order to kick out all the descendants of white Europeans who snuck in without their societies’ official say-so?
Similarly, although “Western imperialism” is obviously not the only reason people like nature pictures, is it really surprising that artistic representations of “nature” in imperialist societies influenced, and were influenced by, imperialist culture tropes about the “exotic”, the “native”, the “savage”, and so forth?
Does our technology-driven focus on curing and “fixing” disabilities medically cause us to neglect what’s needed for socially accepting and accommodating disabilities that can’t presently be “fixed”? And does it push us to unnecessarily medicalize and treat some “abnormalities” that don’t actually need fixing?
None of these questions, of course, involve actually endorsing the fruitbatty claims that inspired them.)
Yep, I can honestly say I’ve never encountered a single person, even online, that espoused the views that @Der_Trihs listed. Strawman leftie gets ever more extreme in his views, it seems.
The closest I’ve seen is a couple of times people have implied that all Ukrainians are Nazis, but the people saying that were MAGAs, and even they weren’t proposing extermination.
Meanwhile to find examples of far right rhetoric; from great replacement theory to sexist or racist rhetoric we can find it any day of the week. And not from randos on the Internet, but from senior Republicans and the most popular right-wing podcasts / video channels.
Cites for at least some of these? If you’ve seen them online, shouldn’t be hard.
You met extremely toxic ones. And yes, you need new friends.
I agree.
There does seem to be a lack of judgement here if this is @Wesley_Clark 's friend.
My far left son is literally a union organizer. He’s been making some progress, too.
Maybe that should be a sign to you that progressives are not the members of the ‘far’ left under discussion here? You remind me of Octopus 
jumping in to defend conservatives whenever anyone talks about Nazis.
Then you’ve never encountered Briahna Joy Gray; I’m jealous.
Now, thankfully, you may never be subjected to an encounter with her work again, because her Tankie takes got her fired. Because that’s how the Left, and even the Progressive Left, treats the truly Loony Left in this country. And that’s a good thing; it’s why idiots like BJG might get a job while they’re pretending to be merely Progressive, but when they show their true colors, their ass is shown the door; meanwhile, Conservatives worship Trump at the Cult of MAGA.
Um, that was exactly my point?
Hence my illustration of the differences between the two ideologies that octopus was trying to conflate, in my response in post#193 to Der_Trihs’s post#169.
Hope that clears it up for you.