Oh Please, Tuba

The BBQ Pit
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Give me a freakin break already. People start threads ALL THE TIME addressed to other posters. I don’t see you closing those. My thread was not hateful or hostile or offensive. And do NOT presume to say what is “put up with” at the 3FMB. Have you ever even BEEN to the 3FMB? Honestly… I expected better of you, though looking back, I’m not really sure why.

Btw, these are some current threads that I assume you’ll also be closing and removing because they should have been taken to email:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40813
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40063
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40111
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=37712
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=37437
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=36769
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=35677
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=34760
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=34471
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=34039
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=33937
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=34398
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=32131

And that’s only back until August. I can keep going, if you need help cleaning up.

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Oh, fer gawd’s sake. Is this necessary?

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Is anything posted on the SDMB actually neccessary? Why do I get special (read: worse) treatment around here? I posted something in no way out of the norm, and yet I’m treated differently. Why is that? And why am I not supposed to bring it up?

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Well, Unc, having seen all the threads in question, she DOES have a point. Her OP in the Pit wasn’t harrassing, obscene, or even really that inflammatory. Just like a lot of other person-specific stuff that is allowed in here at any time. Sure, it should have been taken to e-mail–I said that in the last thread. But you know what? If that one should have been taken to e-mail, so should every single one of the hundreds of other person-specific, non-obscene or threatening Pit threads that have existed just fine and dandy up to this point.

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Oops… forgot one
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40598

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Special, meaning worse? How 'bout that announcement at the top of each forum summary page with a link to the Fathom/Temming Millions site. It that special and worse treatment, too? If I’m not mistaken and if I am, please correct me, but you have banner ads at the Fathom/Millions site, don’t you? I think it’s safe to assume you are making a small amount of money from those ads. So, what the announcement we have amounts to is quasi-official spam. Now tell me again how you are getting special, meaning worse treatment here.

And yes, if you and Shayna have some kind of disagreement (which if you do, is news to me) over the functions of your two adjunct sites, it belongs in an email discussion, or perhaps at FFF, not on the SDMB.

I don’t think it’s necessary to take Tuba to task for moderating the SDMB as she sees fit. Much like the FFF’ers thought it was inappropiate for slythe, as an SDMB modertator to comment on the moderating at FFF. That’s what I mean by this topic being unnecessary.

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I find it interesting that on separate occassions, when chatting through AIM with three different moderators here (Tuba included, one is no longer a mod here), they went out of their way to bring up “your board.”

It’s funny… I never bring up the other board at all over here, and I certainly didn’t do it in my chat conversations with the people here. Two seperate entities to me.

Meanwhile, what do I see in the thread that Tuba is getting ready to delete right now? (Check it at http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40818 while you can):

Uh huh…

I don’t understand why some moderators here are so obsessed with the other board. Maybe it’s because of Melin being there. Maybe it’s because some posters who were well-liked over here decided to leave here and just post over the on their own.

Whatever…

Yer pal,
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Opal, by posting it in the Pit, you basically invited people to call either Shayna or yourself (I’ll give you that) every name in the book. It may have started out innocent in terms of your OP, but placing it in the Pit makes it very suspect. If you wanted to talk to Shayna about what she meant, you could have easily mailed her.

That’s why it was closed. That, and the fact that both your sites have no official affiliation with the SD or the Reader. All the threads you linked are about issues that started on these boards. Thanks for including my Farris Goldstein thread. A perfect example that shows exaclty why you are wrong in this case.

Oh, and the “special treatment” bit was quite the gem. Poor Opal, she’s being treated unfairly by this Evil Board and its Administration.

I don’t think you need directions to the door. You’ve marched out of it a few times before.

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I read the original thread in MPSIMS that started this, and it made me extremely uncomfortable; this did not seem like the usual “you suck” sort of thread we see…there seemed to be some genuine nastiness and powerful grudge-bearing there. Watching Phil and Jodi go at it hammer and tongs does not bother me like the little exchange in the MPSIMS thread did, despite the lack of obscenity. I suspect the Pit thread would have wound up with a huge fight as defenders from either side jumped in, there would be hurt feelings and nastiness all around, probably half-a-dozen people would swear to never post again, etc. etc. We’ve seen stuff like that before, and I don’t think anyone finds it pleasant. The usual Pit stuff simply doesn’t set off the internal alarms for me that your thread did; that is my personal, subjective judgment and I was not involved in the decision to close it, but I genuinely think that thread is better off closed.

Satan: “Whatever…”, right back atcha. :slight_smile:

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Two small nitpicks, Coldie.

A) Shayna brought whatever issue she had to the boards when she posted it in MPSIMS. So it’s not like it was an issue completely unrelated to the boards; in fact, I’d imagine from Opal’s reaction (and she can correct me if I’m wrong) that had Shayna said nothing, Opal never would have known that a problem even existed.

B) Shayna’s e-mail address is not public info. I found this out when I tried to contact her a while back. I just checked to make sure if that was still the case, and sure enough, no e-mail. So it would have been much harder for Opal to be the one to take it to e-mail, given that Shayna is not exactly easy to get a hold of.

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The difference being that Slythe was not commenting on how we were being inconsistant with how we handled people - i.e. treating people differently for the same things depending on who they were - he was just telling us how that place should be run, period.

If Slythe was showing us how we were being inconsistant with how we moderated, I’m pretty sure people would have listened to him as we appreciate that input.

Conversely, if Opal just came in here complaining about treatment which was exactly what everyone else got, I would agree with you. But she has links to show that is not the case.

I do agree that Opal gets some good treatment because of who she is - the announcement is a perfect example of this. But Tuba had nothing to do with that, and I am willing to bet what would have happened had Opal gone to Tuba first.

This is about a specific moderator, Uncle Beer, who has shown in the past to show favortism towards people here. Feel free to call me a whiny bastard for saying this, since I know for a fact I was treated quite rudely by her for a long time, but I am not the only one.

I appreciate that you, as a moderator, are protective of those around you. That is admirable. But this is not an indictment of the way the whole board is run from what i can tell. This is about one person with a hare up her ass (yes that’s spelled correctly - a fucking rabbit died in there, not a follicle) who has shown favortism before and will do it again and again.

Frankly, if Tuba had the class that you have, none of this would have happened.

Yer pal,
Satan - Commissioner, The Teeming Minions

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The closing of the MPSIMS thread is not what is being discussed here. It’s the closing of the mild pit thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40818

As for the banners at the TMHP… I’ve made a grand total of … um… about $12 in the 3 or 4 years the site has been up. Wooooooooo.

The reason I put it in the pit was because generally disagreements go here. If I’d have put it in MPSIMS, people would have bitched that it belonged in the Pit. Btw, I’ve not called Shayna names nor said ANYTHING bad about her at all. I did tell her “fuck you” when she overreacted in the MPSIMS thread, and I told her she needed a nap in the pit thread. WOoooooo.

I really don’t see what was SOOO objectionable about the pit thread that TUba not only felt the need to close it, but said she’ll soon be deleting it. Yeah, that looks like special treatment to me. And no, I’m not saying “poor Opal” I’m just calling them like I see them. Quite honestly, I think the whole thing is pretty funny, in a demented and sad kind of way.

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Wouldn’t that be a “Slippery Slope” argument?

Aren’t you the Great Debates moderator?

:slight_smile: right back at you, Gaudie! :smiley:

Yer pal,
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Extra life with Drain Bead: 3 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes.

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Wait? Deleting a thread with responses? What about this?

Notice, we HAVE to leave it. Not “I’m going to leave it” or “I won’t delete it” but we “have” to leave it.

What’s up with that? Diff’rnt strokes for different folks, I guess.

–Tim

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True about the e-mail, Drain. But I don’t think I’m the only one who found Opals shameless plug for her own site in that thread a little tacky, what with her having another active MPSIMS thread about it anyway. That’s what must have annoyed Shayna as well, and in all honesty, she was hardly abusive in bringing her point across. But maybe that’s just me.

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Actually, it is simply my judgment that reaction B almost invariably follows action A. Given what I know of the personalities and behaviors of the posters involved, as well as that of their friends and allies, it seemed like those two at this point are like sulfur and water: simply put them together and …Big Boom. Throw in a whole bunch of other people? Big, BIG Boom. Opal and Shayna can duke it out in any of a million other possible venues where we have no say as to what goes on if it’s really that blasted important to get other people’s opinions as to which person is in the wrong and who’s being egotistical and who’s being unfair and who’s being whiny, etc.

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Why doesn’t everybody take a step back, have a fresh breath of air, and think about whether any of this is worth it or not. I definitely don’t think it is.

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Here’s the deal from techchick’s perspective…

I am literally stuck in the middle because of my loyalties to both Shayna and Opal. I feel like shit over this whole issue, I hate being caught in the middle of something like this. I am caught in the middle because of my ties to both the FFF and to the SD People Pages…

So, I will be taking about a week off from most everything involved here (SDMB, FFF except for my moderating duties and the SD People Pages but will upload what pics I have now) because if I don’t I am going to blow a gasket…and when techchick blows a gasket it aint pretty. You’ve already seen that back in June and it’s not time for me to go that route again.

So please, Shayna and Opal, please work at getting that whole issue resolved. Stop placing blame and accusing one another, what’s said is said, what’s done is done and it’s time to move on. PLEASE!

< staying out the issue with TubaTiva >

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Opal and Shayna, look what you have done! You have me agreeing with UncleBeer, a known REPUBLICAN and a person with whom I rarely agree–not even about machine guns!

And look at techchick! Not only is she NOT yelling at me in a Pit thread, but we are EVEN SAYING MUCH THE SAME THING!

You have turned my world upside down. You should be ashamed!

Hmmmm, since we’re plugging threads on this subject so shamelessly, maybe I could…Naw–you can find it on your own.

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Don’t you mean sodium and water. :wink:

Come on everyone lets cool off. Someone gets upset about issue A then so and so has a problem with person B and person A tries to relate the issue to this and that then this new guy comes along and refutes this and flames person A then person C has a problem with person B’s interpretation so he flames person A’s response toward person B…it’s really silly. If this continues there is just going to be taking sides, disecting what everyone says, bickering, arguing, flaming, etc…and all this hala-baloo everyone will wish wouldn’t have ever happened. So have a drink, take a walk, hit a punching bag, watch a movie…just relax and lay the issue to rest. It’s prolly not worth the energy to continue this. Just my opinion.