Oh the Irony

[splatterpunk]

@Oakminster

You are not being martyred. You fucked up twice, by doing the same exact thing. There is no defense for your actions. You deserved the warnings you were issued. If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit. You can attack the post, but not the poster.

If you’re looking for a rough guide to the various forums here, then:

1. GQ has the strictest rules. No political jabs allowed, very little snark allowed. It’s usually “just the facts, Ma’am”.

2. MPSIMS is largely a fluffy bunny forum. You can get a little snarky, and disagree with an OP, but you have to be pretty gentle.

3. IMHO, CS, and Game Room are pretty similar. Disagreement can be expressed in somewhat sharper terms, moderate snark is allowed, but still no personal insults.

4. GD is fairly rough and tumble. You are generally free to attack posts with vigor, and imply that arguments presented are stupid with heavy sarcasm, snark, and pretty much unveiled contempt…but again you can’t personally insult anyone.

4.5) ATMB can get pretty heated, not quite to GD levels, but close. There are not supposed to be any personal insults, but some do slip through from time to time.

5. The Pit is as wild as it gets here. You can’t discuss mod actions, you can’t call other posters cunts, can’t tell them to fuck off, can’t tell them to perform oral sex on you, can’t wish death on them, but otherwise you can pretty much vent your frustrations.

I don’t read the Comments on Cecil’s Columns, Barnhouse, or Marketplace forums enough to have much of a feel for them, but I suspect they’re comparable to the IMHO/CS/Game Room level of enforcement.

One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding.

[billfish678]

@splatterpunk

One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding.

Now there’s some actual irony for ya.

[cochrane]

@splatterpunk

One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding.

Not according to the rules:

Rule enforcement is the responsibility of SDMB staff. If you believe a post violates a rule, report it using the “report post” function - this is the triangular icon at the right end of the time/date bar above each post. Do not take it upon yourself to chastise others for perceived rule violations.

Giving advise =/= chastising.

Oakminster wasn’t chastising anybody

[splatterpunk]

@cochrane

Not according to the rules:

Giving advise =/= chastising.

Oakminster wasn’t chastising anybody

If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit.

Say again?

[Oakminster]

@splatterpunk

Say again?

:rolleyes:

Obvious paraphrase of the mod position previously stated, which is routine practice in these threads. No junior modding intended or performed. Cynyc is perfectly free to disregard the advice given.

[cochrane]

@splatterpunk

Say again?

Oakminster wasn’t chastising anybody.

Would you care to attribute that quote?

[splatterpunk]

@cochrane

Oakminster wasn’t chastising anybody.

Would you care to attribute that quote?

Attribute it to what? Or to whom? Do you even know what the word means?

[splatterpunk]

@Oakminster

:rolleyes:

Obvious paraphrase of the mod position previously stated, which is routine practice in these threads. No junior modding intended or performed. Cynyc is perfectly free to disregard the advice given.

It’s routine practice in these threads for users to waltz in and threaten other users with bannings? Really? Huh.

[Oakminster]

@splatterpunk

It’s routine practice in these threads for users to waltz in and threaten other users with bannings? Really? Huh.

Two mods already mentioned that the next warning for this behavior will result in banning. I made no threats, I merely repeated what the mods had already said. Quotes below, since you apparently missed them.

@twickster

cynyc, you’ve gotten two warnings in ten days. For each, you came to ATMB looking for sympathy – for each, you were told, by other posters, “Nope, you definitely deserved that warning.”

You may find another message board elsewhere more to your liking, if our expectations for civility are burdensome to you. In any case, a third warning here in the near future will bring your SDMB career to an end.

twickster, for the SDMB

@Marley23

Nobody’s obsessed with you, cynyc. You’re not allowed to insult people outside of the Pit, and when you tell someone they need to see a shrink because they asked a question you find stupid, that’s insulting. We are allowed to use terms like “jerkish” and “threadshitting” because those words describe particular types of rules violations. You may not like those terms, but they are accurate descriptions of your behavior in that thread. My suggestion is that you focus on that instead of complaining about the terms or about the moderators. The moderating staff agrees with what twickster wrote in this thread. You can take it as a friendly warning or a stern one, but either way, you’re going to be out of here shortly if you don’t follow those rules.

[Colibri]

@splatterpunk

One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding.

[Actual Moderating]

splatterpunk, knock it off. Oakminster’s post wasn’t junior moderating. Ironically enough, yours is.

Colibri
Moderator

[splatterpunk]

@Colibri

[Actual Moderating]

splatterpunk, knock it off. Oakminster’s post wasn’t junior moderating. Ironically enough, yours is.

Colibri
Moderator

How?

[cochrane]

@splatterpunk

Attribute it to what? Or to whom? Do you even know what the word means?

Yeah. This quote which you posted without attributing to anybody.

Quote:
If you do it again, you’re banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit.

If you’re going to post someone’s quote, it’s good practice to note who posted it. So, who said it?

Anyway, I see a third mod confirmed that Oak wasn’t junior modding, so I needn’t reply anymore since your opinion has been invalidated.

[Colibri]

@splatterpunk

How?

You publicly accused Oakminster of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it.

Oakminster’s post was not junior moderating. The subject of cynyc’s behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that.

If you have some kind of beef with Oakminster, take it to the Pit. Don’t use this thread as an excuse to attack him here.

[splatterpunk]

@Colibri

You publicly accused Oakminster of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it.

I did report it. Nothing happened.

Oakminster’s post was not junior moderating. The subject of cynyc’s behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that.

He didn’t just “agree with” it. He threatened a user with a banning.

If you have some kind of beef with Oakminster, take it to the Pit. Don’t use this thread as an excuse to attack him here.

Yeah. Whatever.

[PlainJain]

@Oakminster

5. The Pit is as wild as it gets here. You can’t discuss mod actions, you can’t call other posters cunts, can’t tell them to fuck off, can’t tell them to perform oral sex on you, can’t wish death on them, but otherwise you can pretty much vent your frustrations.

Is this true? I thought you could tell someone to fuck off but not say “fuck you”.

Although I often confused on these things.

[cochrane]

It’s true.

The following expressions should not be directed at other posters.

cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper
motherfucker
cocksucker
fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die
suck/lick my dick/cock and variants

Restricted language in the Pit

[Mangetout]

IMO, it was a mistake for TPTB to get specific about which particular words/phrases are prohibited - because (as mentioned upthread) setting out specifics just makes it easier for people to violate the spirit of the law whilst upholding the letter.

For example, if it’s prohibited to say “Your father was a squirrel, and your mother smells of elderberries”, someone will just come along and say “your father was a chipmunk, and your mother smells of boysenberries”.

Then the rule will be adapted to “do not compare anyone’s father to any arboreal rodent, or the aroma of anyone’s mother to any kind of berry”, but this doesn’t stop people saying “your father was a meerkat, and your mother smells of apricots”…

So TPTB step in again and say “Look, just don’t compare anyone’s parents to small furry animals, or fruit, OK?”, but without breaking any rules, someone will say “your father was a pangolin, and your mother smells of rhubarb”… and so on.

The more finely you nuance the rules, the easier it is to dance rings around them, and the harder they are to interpret and enforce - easier just to say “don’t be an asshole”, because in all of the above hypotheticals, it’s obvious that the offender is being an asshole, and that the offender knows he’s being an asshole.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

@splatterpunk

One more thing that’s frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being “helpful”): no Junior Modding.

Being helpful != Jr Modding.

Being helpful and pointing things out (like navigating the board culture) is fine.

Jr Modding is trying to act as if you have the authority to enforce rules (not just explain rules to someone who is confused). Saying “your post broke this rule and you should stop” is jr modding. Saying “a type of post that is generally considered bad form or is against the rules would be blah blah” is not. IMHO.

[Sailboat]

Perhaps it would clarify things a bit to suggest (IMHO) that one difference between “Junior Modding” and Oakminster’s post is that “Junior Modding” is typically unsolicited criticism, whereas Oakminster was replying to repeated solicitations for clarification by the OP. If you keep asking “but how is it wrong?” someone is going to come along and tell you.

[PlainJain]

@cochrane

It’s true.

Thank you, sir, ignorance fought.