Note to self: get crawlspace gun.
Earlier in the thread that was explained, but I’ll say it again.
Mr. Homeowner is awakened by a noise in his house. Maybe the cat knocked something over, maybe someone knocked on the door, etc. He gets up and goes to investigate, and being a gunowner, takes his pistol. Its his right, its legally owned. He got it because he wanted to be able to protect his wife and children and cat and the house he’s paying for and all of the stuff in said house because he busted his ass working to provide it all for his loved ones.
He goes downstairs to check the locks and finds **Mr. Burglar **stealing his stuff. Its dark, adrenalin is rushing, and **Mr. Homeowner **has a millisecond flash of fear of what this unknown person may do to him or his family or cat if allowed to brazenly break in and steal his stuff. Maybe hes just a simple thief, but maybe he’s a crazy simple thief that would tie him and his wife up and force them to watch him rape the children. After all, this person is a thief, a man willing to take the risk of breaking into his home where his family is. Who knows what he’s capable of?
Mr. Homeowner shouts : "Stop! Put your hands up and lay on your stomach!"
What happens next is A:
**Mr. Burglar **complies seeing that **Mr. Homeowner **has a pistol. He starts babbling some crap about how he just needed the money and Mr. Homeowner has shitty locks and it was just to tempting for him to not break into the house at 0330 in the morning, and how he just needed the thrills. Mr. Homeowner keeps the pistol trained on the burglar while he calls 911. Cops arrest scumbag.
Or B:
Mr. Burglar, not being a mental giant, or a person with any concern to his fellow human beings tries to rush Mr. Homeowner. Its dark, and Mr. Homeowner isn’t sure if the burglar has a weapon or not, but he does know he’s a burglar and shouldn’t be in his house at 0330. He also knows his wife and kids need to be protected from the likes of this moron. So he pumps one into his chest dropping him. He calls 911. The cops arrive and EMTs may or may not be able to save Mr. Burglar. **Mr. Homeowner **feels a bit of remorse for using deadly force but also feels justified that he did so to protect his family and property.
We can even entertain the fact that **Mr. Burglar **was trying to run away, but in doing so made a move that looked threatening to Mr. Homeowner. Mr. Homeowner in fear for his safety fires. Same conclusion. **Mr. Burglar **should not have tried to rob Mr. Homeowner. If he had not tried he would not have been shot.
Now you might have a problem with B but I don’t. mr. burglar should have stayed out of Mr. Homeowner’s house. No one wants to og on a witch hunt here looking for criminals to shoot like the Punisher, but most have expressed their desire to protect their homes and family using lethal force if the situation deems it. if you’re more likely to tell Mr. Burglar [/B]“Look, take what you want and get out!” thats fine. He may do that. He may beat you within an inch of your life, rape you, or cook you in a stew. You won’t know til it happens.
Me? If he doesn’t choose A I hope he has insurance because its his only option that will not require force if he’s in MY house.
Your scenario had someone confronting him in his shower (with somehow Scumpup simultaneously coming at HIM with a gun). Poor lil Billy! He’s FORCED to defend himself by the big bad homeowner with a gun! OK, in this scenario, the person who had NO INTENTION OF HURTING ANYONE HAS BROKEN INTO SOMEONE’S HOME AND THEY HAVE A GUN. Read it again. In your scenario, the harmless thief is now NO LONGER UNARMED, as you have been asserting, but HAS A GUN.
This is quickly heading to Pit territory.
It’s good to see homophobic paranoia is still alive and kicking! I know you are only joshing, but I wonder what the odds of getting buggered by a burglar in your own shower are? I bet they are considerably lessened if you lock and bolt your doors and windows. < hint hint >
Oh, and it was going so well! 
Jumping Jeebus Krishna on a cracker, you just never tire of trying to turn this into a game of “blame the victim,” do you?
Showering homeowner: Hey! What are you doing in here??
Home invader: Don’t blame me! Blame your shitty K-Mart locks!
Showering homeowner: Oh, snap! Hold on, let me bend over…
Home invader: WIN!
Crap.
I finally realized what a cough caulk cough ing gun is REALLY for :eek:
No, he never said the guy came into his bathroom. He said a guy came into his house while he was in the shower. But keep making it up as you go along!
What I said was explained already. The person who draws a gun on an intruder who isn’t brandishing a weapon risks inflaming the situation.
bill was in the lead for making me laugh until you turned in this strong performance.
If a tourist enters a rough neighbourhood parading enticing goodies, having paid no heed to theIr environment, they have made themselves a victim by omitting some easily carried out precautions. They haven’t placed a “Hi, rob my stupid ass.” sign around their necks, but they may as well have. Blame can be ascribed to the victim, because unless they live in a fantasy world, they have neglected their safety.
Now unless you can show statistical evidence that points to most burglaries being acts of violent to persons home invasions, and not petty theft, your solution to this problem sounds a tad extreme. IMO.
Crimoney. There’s an invader in my house robbing me and I should worry about “inflaming the situation?” The “situation” is already FUBAR. So what do you do in Sea Kitten Land when you get out of the shower and find a burglar ransacking your house?
If I have a gun and the burglar doesn’t I’m defusing the situation. The burglar can lie prone while I call 911 or inflame the situation by resisting. Its my fucking house. If he makes a threatening move he’s the one making things worse, not me.
How did we come to the point where the criminal is now innocent against the wrathful homeowner that is content to live in peace as long as you don’t break into his house? This is ridiculous. If I don’t use a gun but kick the guys ass am I now a bad person for beating up the poor little criminal who broke into my house?
I say again at what point does the criminal bear responsibility for any harm done to him while breaking into someones house?
This doesn’t fly. Butterflies fly. Bats fly. Birds fly. Except jailbirds. This is more of your lame-ass attempting to justify criminal behavior.
I lock myself in a room and call the cops or if I don’t have a phone, wait for him to leave. I’m certainly not going to forge into the unknown, which might involve guns or knives that will be used on me (or my family) if HE feels threatened.
Violence is the last resort for me.
Yeah, we wouldn’t want to upset the poor dear by making him feel threatened while he is invading our home, stealing our belongings, and considering what else he’d like to do while he’s there.
Don’t scare me like that! For a moment I though you said Furbies :eek:
So now people getting mugged are to be blamed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? A tourist that wanders into a bad neighborhood is now at fault for not carrying an uzi? I’m pretty sure that a lot of people will disagree with that. That again is like saying the rape victim shouldn’t have worn the tight blouse, and its utterly asinine.
If you break into my home I don’t know what you might be capable of. Plus IMO if you break into my home the use of force, deadly force in necessary is authorized for me, by me because its my fucking house. If i break into your house I’ll happily walk away with your stuff and torture your pets and family members because you won’t use a weapon against me. And remember, you don’t know what craaaaazzzzzyyyyy things i might do, so you might have to use deadly force if you can’t read my tells. Because i don’t want to go to jail. You wanna roll the dice on me not killing you and your family for having shitty locks and not reading my tells and me needing the thrills and all? Be my guest.
I’d rather not come up snake eyes on that because I assumed that Mr. Asshole thief isn’t a crazy-rapist-cannibal scumbag. But then I don’t pay rent in the fantasy world that sokme seem to live in.
again…when does the criminal bear responsibility for the crimes and injuries or death gained through the crime on himself? Or is it always the victims fault?
I know what you mean. I had a neighbor get badly mauled by a pack of feral Furbies. He screamed and pounded at my door and begged me to let him in; but there was no way I was going to risk those bloodthirsty bastards getting into my house. The chewing noises went on for what seemed like hours…
Technically its a “Hole in One” or if you really wanna be pedantic “One in a Hole”