Like kick in the door and rape and pillage. Jeezuz, when did it become a sin to defend yourself?
:smack: Criminals don’t do responsible. Would a man with 3 young kids who goes out to do an armed blag, be deemed responsible?
By the time a criminal gets to the stage where he is prepared to commit violence readily to get what he wants - your worst enemy - the only thing you can do when you catch them is put them to some positive use in a controlled environment.
Or you can do it your way, and shoot them dead and avoid the courts.
Unless you get the criminally inclined before their late teens, it’s doubtful, barring extreme circumstances that they are going to change their attitude to life. How about offering these youths the option of going in the forces, instead of jail? Instead of putting youths in detention centres, send them to cadet school, or something. Prevention is better than curing, surely?
You might be diffusing the situation. You don’t know. Your gun could be the thing that makes him draw HIS gun. And if he was content with stealing your shit, but now feels like he has to defend himself, you’ve put everyone in the house in danger. You might miss. Your gun might jam. You might be too afraid to actually pull the trigger, even though the gun is pointed at the guy. YOU DON’T KNOW.
The stuff I have in my home will never be worth more than the life of a non-threatening intruder. And I certainly don’t want to push someone to the point where they feel they have to become violent in order to get out of the situation alive.
The military doesn’t need or want criminals. Here in the US, convicted criminals are barred from service. For good reason, too. If you put a criminal in uniform, do you know what you get? A criminal in uniform.
This is a contradiction in terms.
Are you talking about defending yourself or defending your stuff? These two things are not the same and should not be dealt with in the same way.
You still haven’t explained how to know for sure which one Mr. Intruder intends to violate.
And they haven’t been. If you read the posts, you’ll find that running away with the Tivo isn’t enough to get you shot - running toward the gun-toting home-owner is what does it.
But feel free to go on responding to your fantastic imagination rather than the actual presented positions of those whom you are arguing at.
So you are ready to make judgement on a persons life before they have even reached adulthood? Your compassion knows no bounds, does it?
Minors records are typically expunged (Correct word?) before adulthood, for the very reason you mention.
Nice try, though.
Definitely sometime after WW2. The actual date seems a bit hard to pin down.
Not me, Robin Hood. The US Military decided that for themselves after enough experience with criminals in uniform.
He’d better be the fucking Flash because I’d have already been aiming at him. He’s drawing his gun? What makes you think I’m going to let him finish that? his having a gun in my house while breaking in makes him an untenable threat that must be eliminated now. So he’s escalated the situation not me.
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Yeah, its my fault. How dare I live there with my shit. I shoulda let him take it. After all, I’m rolling in dough. :rolleyes:
Doubtful. I’m rated expert on rifle and pistols. At close range, I could put one in his center mass without a hitch.
And Superman might fly down and jump into the way of the bullets. Oh, but the crook might have kryptonite! guess I’m still fucked. Damn, I shouldn’t tried to defend myself.
Highly unlikely. My job requires me to be able to shoot at people from time to time, and while i’m no gun nut, I’m pretty good at it. And the last time I was in a postion to fire on someone I was within 1 second of it when they surrendered. But hey, make up more scenarios that explain why i should let this guy roam freely in my house. Because by not defending myself I could be telling him to kill me and rape my wife. YOU DON’T KNOW.
My stuff is not worth the life of a person. But a person in my home that may or may not be a crazy person is not worth me risking it. If able to stop him with minimum force, hallelujah…if it requires deadly force…and I WILL be the judge of it, not you…because its MY HOUSE and FAMILY…well, fuck, i’ll kill him. I won’t like it, and I won’t enjoy it, but I’m not chancing it that he’s not some whackjob that would love to have my head in the freezer.
***Thats what the burglar should be thinking. ***
So when it is the criminals fault again?
I have plenty of compassion.
Take dogs. Folks shoud be resposible for em. Folks should train en and treat right. I am all for society encouraging dogs to be all they can be.
Once a rabid/wild dog invades my home, while I might regret having to do what I have to do and wish that society or the owner had not failed the dog, I really don’t see any other reasonable option.
Sez you. A burglar is not necessarily a threat to me.
can’t breathe…laughing…I think something just burst…
No, here’s how you distinguish between threatening and none threatening.
example a. Slimy opportunist burglar enters your home because your security is piss poor. Takes advantage of situation hoping against any type of confrontation…but being a criminal, still prepared to take that chance. Because until they are nicked, they never believe it is going to happen. If they thought about shit like that too much, they’d never pinch anything!
example b. Burglar kicks in your front door while you are having your tea, or while you are in bed, armed and in no mood to fuck about. Fortunately, I imagine these types are very rare, despite what the media would have you believe.
Now, is one of them distinctively less dangerous than the other? Do they both deserve to die for invading your personal space?
Actually, I have had occasion to be very impressed by the response time of some departments, even in extremely rural areas. Right now I live basically out in the middle of nowhere (about 90 miles north of Seattle if anyone’s wondering about my out-of-date location tag :P). Last October in the middle of the night a small airplane came hurtling out of the sky, missing our house by feet, and crashed into some trees. Four minutes after I placed the 9-1-1 call a couple of sheriff’s deputies arrived, followed very quickly by the volunteer fire department and ambulance. The pilot died on impact, but the incredibly quick reaction of local emergency services probably saved the lives of his passengers.
Still, four minutes is not typical, and even if it were, it’s far too long to wait when dealing with an immediate threat.
I was just about to say this. It’s blaming the victim at its finest.
This is why I purchase guns from reliable manufacturers: they don’t jam. 
I’ve put thousands of rounds through my Kimber Custom II 1911, and it only ever jammed twice during its “break in” period, and since then, it’s been solid as a rock. And anyway, it’s a single-action pistol that I always store “cocked and locked,” so I’m at least guaranteed a first shot even if it does jam. My other defensive option is a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun – I don’t think it’s even physically possible for those things to jam. Certainly I’ve never heard of it happening. :dubious:
What is this “non-threatening intruder” you keep talking about? On my planet, the act of breaking into somebody’s home is a grave threat, one from which the aggressor must repent with extreme haste if they wish to avoid being the subject of a decisively forceful intervention.
Yeah, maybe the burglar doesn’t mean to be a threat to my safety. He’s already broken into my home, though, so here’s the million-dollar-question: why the fuck should I give him the benefit of the doubt, especially when the safety of my family might be on the line?
Oh. so its my fault for having stuff that makes them criminals.
Prison? works for me. Boot hill? Don’t really care since as you said they bear no personal responsibility for the harm that they cause. Thats like a mad dog, ain’t it? They usually get put down.
Again, I have never said “KILL KILL KILL EM ALL!”. Stop trying to make it seem like we’re all out to murder criminals like some kinda internet Star Chamber. Its old, its silly and its not correct in the scenario laid out. Ypou know it, you just don’t want to admit that criminals who break into Joe (mm’s house kinda asked for it by breaking in. But hell, Joe 9mm has a nice TiVo, and cheap windows. Guess its Joe’s fault, huh? After all Little thugbert only wanted some thrills and a TiVo…and Mrs. 9mm has a nice caboose…
former recruiter. They can’t join. Period. You know, because we have some standards and we don’t want people who can’t be responsible for themselves.
For the love of God, please…PLEASE…tell me how to infallibly tell the threatening ones from the non-threatening variety. I can’t stand the suspense any longer.
Weeee! My 5000th post. I think I’ll go out and shoot a clown to celebrate!