OK, I've seen The Avengers - open spoilers!

Yeah, that’s what I thought - he’s a big scary loud guy with a dangerous looking weapon; when he says kneel, people are going to kneel. But once he started talking, the old guy stood up with no apparent mental effort required.

Never discount the strength of sheer human courage and/or cussedness.

Very true - but that applies to standing up to someone with a weapon as well as to someone with some sort of mind-mojo.

I think Riefenstahl said everything there is to be said about German will. We know. Loki should’ve tried France.

They called them Chitauri due to licensing issues. I believe Fox still holds the license for the Fantastic Four, which has the Skrull name/characters, meaning that Disney/Marvel couldn’t use it for this movie.

Um, yep. Feel free to read the rest of my post beyond the first sentence.

So, I saw it on Sunday–the ticket takers at Sundance assumed I was one of the Best Marigold Hotel crowd, but I surprised them. Loved it. I haven’t been a comic book fan as an adult, but I remembered most of these guys from my childhood back in the Silver Age. (Marvel was always less stodgy than DC.)

When I told a co-worker I’d seen it in 3-D, he was thrilled. He’d been wanting an excuse to take his family again; they’d seen the 2-D version, so now he has a plan!

Usually less Silver-Age goofy, as well. The closest Marvel really got to Mxztlplk or Bat-Mite was the Impossible Man. DC’s Silver Age was legendarily goofy at times.

I haven’t read much of the Ultimates (or really any comic books in a long time), but does gamma exposure work the same as does in the standard universe? If you survive, it feeds and is fed by some hidden aspect of your personality. For Bruce Banner it was his rage (green hulk), his ruthlesness (grey hulk), and his self control (Professor Hulk), for Doc Sampson it was his hero complex, for Jenifer Walters(She-Hulk) it was the extrovert hidden behind her shyness, for Emil Blonsky(Abomination) it was his self loathing.

Here’s a pic with the schwarma place in it.

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That just makes the whole thing even more amusing!

In the comics, she was a Soviet assassin.

In the movie-verse…no way is she old enough. Johansson was born in '84, and I wouldn’t guess Natasha’s more than a couple years older than that. So she’d have been, say, somewhere between 5-9 years old when the Soviet Union fell. Even in a superhero universe it’d be pushing it to assume she was already active, then. At the really intense part of her training, certainly, but at the oldest, probably 2-3 years before she’d be ready to be a field agent, even with the most evil handlers possible. She presumably worked for the mob, and corrupt (Russian) government officials, such as the ones shown in her intro scene.

Ah, anyway…I had to make a…ah…rapid, but short, exit during the raid on the Helicarrier (between when Stark was restarting the engine, and when Coulson passed on) - how did Coulson buy it? I gather he rather inexplicably went one on one with Loki, but like Stark said, that would have been idiotic, so I assume there was something more to it.

And general comments - Loki does nonplussed so damn well - the scene where Thor’s talking to him, then suddenly disappears as Tony scoops him up, and the scene after Hulk pulverizes him were just beautiful.

Widow’s introduction was by far the best action sequence in the movie (although the big battle at the end came close).

Was it just me, or did anyone else think Hawkeye getting off a deadly accurate shot without even looking kind of drained the drama from most of the moments when he was taking the time to carefully line up his shots after that?

Loki had just put Thor in the Hulk-cage, and Coulson showed up with a prototype Phase 2 rifle drawing a bead on Loki (“I’m not even sure what this does”). They bantered for a minute, then the real Loki snuck up behind Coulson (he’d been talking to an illusion) and put the staff/spear through his heart. He did it because he was the only one who was there (all the supers being otherwise occupied). And he got a great shot off on Loki (right through the bulkhead) with the Phase 2 (“Oh…that’s what it does…”) between getting stabbed and dying.

I’m going to stick with “dying” until we see a body. And not even then.

I dunno, there was an interview up somewhere right afterwards where the actor sounded pretty damn sure that Coulson was a goner. There’s also the near-frantic attempts by Whedon to convince people that scene was already in the script when he got it, and that he didn’t actually *Joss *another wonderful character for an emotional kick.

Given that Joss has said that he tossed the original story almost completely, I’m not buying it. Nobody is dead until we see a body.

Not even then, considering how many times Jean Grey has come back.

Weeeelllll…I’ve heard spoiler rumors on Agent Phil’s ultimate fate…

I’ve heard that they’re going to download Phil’s personality into an android body, and bring the Vision in that way.

I have absolutely no opinion on the reliability of this rumor…

Dunno. Could very well be.

Not sure if it was technically a Phase 2 rifle. Coulsontold Loki that SHIELD had developed it based on what they learned from the Destroyer (the Asgardian weapon of mass destruction which Thor had fought in New Mexico). Its SFX seemed more like the Destroyer’s energy beam than the blue beam of Hydra / Tesseract-derived weapons.

I just realized… that’s just like Gollum with the fish in The Two Towers