OK, ZPG: Let's get a room. I'm paying.

I don’t believe you’ve personally experienced any of this. Not for a second.

It’s all a product of your delusional & unhinged mind.

You’ve held the hand of multiple 20-year-old self-abortion victims as they bled out and died?! As I said, your life is certainly more eventful than most.

I don’t think that there really is any point in arguing with ZPG. I am completely convinced at this point that he is actually a middle aged MRA… activist (redundant I know, but…) who upon realizing that there actually was no woman in the world that fit his caricature that MRA’s seem convinced makes up all or at least the majority of women, set out to create that caricature himself.

Sorry, MB, I see what you were trying to do here, but there is no reason to continue in either engaging or backpedaling. You stepped in some shit, and while that doesn’t necessarily make you a piece of shit like that which you stepped in, it’s going to be a while before the stink comes off. Trying to shake it off just annoys those around you.

Yugoslavia 1990s, lots of rape victims, not a lot of available medical care, desperate women do desperate things.

You are such a lying troll.

And I don’t believe you care anything about women. You probably think our only purpose is to bear children. Your posts are all a product of your misogynistic attitudes and unhinged mind.

Yugoslavia dissolved in 1991.

And you are a disgusting misogynist that incapable a constructing a logical argument falls to accusing people of being trolls.

And the fighting didn’t stop until the Dayton Accords where signed in 1995

Flared up again in 1997 over Kosovo and then got really bad 1998-1999.

It was the worst armed conflict to occur in Europe since the end of World War II.

You have no idea what I think about women or their role in the world.

I, on the other hand, know exactly what you think of men and children.

My guess is that it’s fundamentally similar to another poster, who has been widely accused - and with justification AFAICT - of misrepresenting her own experiences. Some exaggeration, some appropriation of others’ experiences, and some imagination.

What’s different here is that it’s being done in service of some outrageous opinions, while in the other case it’s mostly benign. But as to the source of the stories, it’s probably a comparable process.

I think your willingness to let women die for the sake of babies speaks volumes about how little you value women. I treat men as human beings. That I don’t treat them as gods who deserve having everything deferred to them seems to terrify you. I wonder why?

I believe that if ZPG was in Yugoslavia in the 90s, she saw a lot of really bad things. But I’ll bet there were just as many women or more who were devastated by tragically losing dearly loved children. But somehow that doesn’t inform her worldview at all.

Actually, I consider it very tragic when women lose dearly loved children and I’ve seen a lot of that also. What I don’t consider tragic are women or men being relieved of potential children they vehemently hate.

Somebody gave me a Weber grill as a gift once. I did NOT want that fucking grill (I’m a die hard Coleman man myself).

But rather than give it to someone that wanted it, but would have very likely abused the crap out of it (like sitting on it for instance), I ran over it with the truck one moonless night and secretly buried it out in the back forty.

It was the only humane thing to do.

Yeah, but what doesn’t?

Jeez, you need to lighten up.

I think some people on the Dope must be really young or live very, very sedate lives in small towns where nothing ever changes.

So children only have as much value as assigned to them by their biological parents, and therefore a society who places value on them independent of their biological parents has some kind of sickness. Yeah, that’s a reasonable conclusion.

We’ll just add this to the list of outlandish things you believe…

What the fuck are you talking about?

Long as they don’t extend their hand in greeting. Then they are rapists.

I’m not the least bit terrified by you. I think you’re a coward who uses delusional ideology to construct your own version of reality just to make it through the day. In the absence of which, your life is mundane and pointless.