If handshakes are off the table, am I to assume fisting is not an alternative?
jsgoddess, thanks. Much appreciated. And, yes, holy fucksticks indeed.
If they have been tested within her cohort, then her cohort is most definitely screwed.
The SDMB covers a whole data-group of folks from different ethnicities, genders, sexualities, educational and socio-economic levels AND countries in this world…and when EVERY ONE OF THEM reckons that ZPG is either a loon or a troll…well, the outcome is obvious really.
These should be made into a sticky as well as her post about being cool with actually killing a baby herself.
Martian. While I appreciate the results of your efforts and that she got enough rope to hang herself, I do have to agree with you that it should have been done differently.
I do accept your apology.
To be honest, I think you were finding offense in Martian’s posts where none was actually evident, let alone intended.
IOW, I don’t think he owed you any apology, notwithstanding the loss of your child. And yes, I was here when Ian passed, and I cannot begin to imagine your pain. But to accuse posters of continuing to cause you pain because of their opinions or beliefs so long after seems somewhat crass to me.
Martian was trying to backpedal big time. We’ve all done it, it’s part of being part of the SDMB. But when you chuck in such a clanger as you did Tokyo, there’s no dignified way out for the poster. And I think you know that.
What truly amazes me is just how outlandish virtually every single post is ZPGZ makes. I don’t think I could make such an outlandish post once in every thousand posts, however, here is this person who can basically up the weirdness factor every single time. She’s been doing this for years. There has to be a limit? Right?
An adult has a wider and deeper emotional web in society than an infant and will cause more pain to more people when they’re gone, e.g. parents and extended family they’ve known their whole life, lovers, friends, co-workers, possibly children of their own. Do you suppose a mother would be more devastated to lose her 22 year old or her infant? Pragmatically, society has invested a lot more resources into the adult as well, not only in dollars but man hours, e.g. doctors, teachers, coaches, and so on. People have a strong instinct to value and protect babies due to evolution, not this sort of analysis. A lot of people find such philosophical discussions by itself wrong somehow.
Those intuitions can be leveraged to reach more compassionate positions, though. For example, infants are similarly or less cognitively capable than many animals we butcher and eat. Reflecting on this, some people decide it’s immoral to butcher animals, a position they may not have entertained otherwise.
I didn’t at first make the connection, but ZPGZ is a female version of Rat. Or at least a version of Rat with all his good qualities removed.
You have to way the risks if potentially defending yourself from a murder charge is less difficult for you than having to deal with paying child support for 18 years and decide based on that. But there are plenty of circumstances where the emotional stress bought on by an unwanted child’s birth and it’s subsequent effects on others lives are such that if I were sitting on the jury and a man killed his pregnant sex partner or spouse I would not be able to vote to him guilty of murder or manslaughter. I would find what he did a form of self-defense and justifiable.
It truly amazes me how outlandish the idea that adults especially women have rights are to some people on the Straight Dope. Newsflash. Our wombs aren’t community property.
Right. Women have rights unless the man does not want the baby. Then it’s ok to kill her.
Relax. In this market, nobody’s interested in a spacious fixer-upper.
The two of you could greet each other with a friendly headbutt instead?
In all seriousness, I hope ZeePeeGee is just a very dedicated troll, cause if so, the worst she’s doing is riling up dopers.
If, god forbid, she actually believes the warped views she’s shared with us, and is, as she claims, a “wise woman” whose advice people seek in their moments of uncertainty and vulnerability, that is a very worrying thought.
I knew a woman, “wise” she’d say,
Who’d council those who’d lost their way;
Whose words would make the children hush,
And wisdom make the devil blush.
My path had took an unseen turn;
Blessed me with a precious bairn.
And though a joy, the price was steep.
“Pinch its nose and bury it deep.”
I choked upon that grave advice,
Regained my mind, then asked her twice.
Her words echoed like an empty well.
“Pinch its nose and bury it well.”
Perhaps it were a joke, to goad.
Or the words of one with a heavier load.
But still that council haunts my sleep.
“Pinch its nose and bury it deep.”
Look, you fucking loony toon. Did you even read my post? I know this is hilarious and all. But I asked you a straight-up question, I expect a straight-up answer. In this hypothetical, I’m a homicidal maniac, and your big and fancy sentences aren’t getting through to me. This is a “need answer fast” kind of situation. I have the woman right here. I have a gun pointed at her. I also have a gigantic budget to pay for my defense team, and we’ve cloned you a dozen times over to fill the jury with. So I’ll walk. Shoot her or not?
Either follow your own shtick to the logical final step, or don’t and admit straight up that you’re a troll. A big, ugly, cowardly troll.
Alright, you just made the thread worth it. Thank you!
Kind of you to say so.
Troll or not, ZPG’s words were just so shockingly vile that they echoed around my skull until I felt compelled to don my beret and to put them into poetry.
“Pinch its nose!” For fucks sake.
I pray that I’m just a hand-wringing rube falling for a long-game trolling.
Neither party has the right to force the other to become a parent. If a man tries to prevent a woman from getting an abortion (by taking her hostage or preventing her from entering a clinic) I think she is well within her rights to kill her in order to get a safe abortion.
I’ve answered the question quite well. You seem to have problems with reading comprehension. Out of principle (and concern for legal entanglement) I do not give people orders to do things (unless they are teenagers living under my roof with unfinished chores). I only advise them what I would do in the circumstance (which would be kill the woman if necessary to avoid unwanted parenthood) and expect them as adults to make up their own minds.
I don’t believe platonic is possible. I don’t touch men I am not married to or women I am not friends with, so no you don’t get a hug. Since I don’t think I would trust you in business deal without a written legal contract, you don’t get a gloved handshake either.
What if he tries to force an abortion she doesn’t want?