Also, it’s not correct to speak of “the nine” and “the seven”. Sauron got his hands on a bunch of random power rings, and handed them out to various humans and dwarfs. It’s only afterwards that each ring because associated with humans or dwarves.
The three of course were different, Sauron had no part in their making.
I don;t read it that way. Each had it’s own specific gemstone, and there’s no reason to suppose each didn’t have it’s own name, history, etc, and the the Nine wee made for Maortal man, etc.
Sauron still managed to upload malware to the Three. It was when the Elves got wind of Sauron’s plan that they took them off and stopped using them, because they were linked to the One Ring. The Three had been made previously.
Nothing there contradicts what I said. Yes, they made 16, 9+7. Where does it say the rings were all identical? In fact, Gandalf said that each of the other Rings each had it’s own stone, and he should know.
The footnote about the dwarves, for one thing. It’s possible that one of the rings was given to a dwarf, though it’s not certain. One ring, possibly given to the king of a friendly power with close ties to the elves of Eregion. Not seven, and none for Men.
With the exception of the One, the rings were made by and for the elves (with help from Sauron on the lesser rings). When Sauron attacked the elves after the One was forged, he seized the lesser rings from them and distributed them among dwarves and men to spread his power.
Is it ever revealed what happened to the Entwives?
Just a quick remembrance. In Fellowship when random villagers were in pub, think Sam was only main character in there, they were talking about a hobbit who said he saw an oak tree walking out on the moor. Wasn’t talking about in Old Forest and tree weirdness there.
Someone said disparagingly that what he saw prob was an oak tree.
I do think of this when Fangorn says entwives would like shire.
Okay - here’s a question - How did the Eagles know to show up when they did at the Black Gate? Someone on another board posited that Tolkien never met a deus-exo-machina he didn’t like, but I’m guessing the Eagles had been keeping an eye on how the war was going. Or Radagast told them.
Given that Tolkien has his “expert” characters (Gandalf, Sauron, and Elrond) speak in exactly those terms, I think we can call the usage correct.
It is amazing how this story, with its roots in WWI and completion by the early '50s, foreshadows computer hacking, including reverse engineering, backdoors, spoofing, malware, etc.
In either the first or second chapter Sam is in a pub talking, mentions the rumor about the walking trees in far parts of the Shire, and Ted Sandyman calls him out for it. And Treebeard says the Shire sounds like a place the entiwves would have liked. So I choose to believe they were there.
In the “modern” (i.e. late Third Age) context in which they were speaking, yes, it would be correct. At that point, the lesser rings had become associated with that split. In the context of the time of their creation, on the other hand, they were just one big batch of rings–each was presumably unique, and there was nothing about them to group them into “the Seven” and “the Nine” at that point. Those terms arose because of how Sauron distributed them. The latter is the context to which Lemur is presumably referring.
(The Three, on the other hand, were a distinct set to start with, since they were made without Sauron’s direct assistance.)
An elm tree - not that there’s much difference in size between that and an oak - and it’s stated as being on the North Moors, whereas the Old Forest is to the southeast of the Shire.
All right, fine. I’m home now, and have The Silmarillion at hand. Wall of text incoming.
Bolding is mine. When they sensed Sauron’s completion of the One, the Elves took off their rings. Sauron attacked them and demanded all the rings. The Elves saved three rings–later referred to as the Three–and Sauron gathered all of the others and gave them to Dwarves and Men.
There, direct from the source. Sauron attacked the Elves and took all the rings except the Three from them. Logically, that means that the Elves still had them all, which only makes sense, because they made them to try to turn their own lands into a semblance of Valinor. They didn’t make them to hand out to other races–Sauron did that in a bid to extend his power.
