Of course not. I’d be mortally embarrassed to need more than 1 round.
What’s disturbing about the act is that these people thought it an appropriate way of getting back at an ex to kill a gift from her. That’s a crappy reason for killing anything beyond a goldfish. Doing the same to a pet calf (Hey, it’s Oklahoma, it could happen!) would provoke a similar response from me, though with a little less WTF? because it’d make a better belt. As for the 10 rounds thing, I’ve offered my theory upthread and without knowing more won’t draw any conclusions.
And that really is the crux of the matter. Without more information, we don’t know whether we’re looking at terminal incompetence, inhuman cruelty, shooting under the influence, or something we haven’t even thought of. We don’t know whether the belt was the reason, or an afterthought. Unless I missed a follow-up story, we really don’t know squat about the actual events, only the surmised motivation of revenge.
Baby seal hunters kill them with clubs so as not to harm the hide. It is an ugly and cruel way to kill. That is one reason why so many object.
Many people believe we have an understanding with nature to be merciful. We should not torture animals or make them live in misery .
Putting a sick old dog down is one thing. Shooting a six week old puppy is another.
The farm argument does not work ,if they are shooting puppies. What is there an argument in the family. My brother got to shoot fluffy can I kill Fido. He gets to have all the fun.
.Killing is part of animal raising. We all get that. But what the hell does that have to do with someone shooting and skinning a puppy?
Possibly. Did you notice that one single deputy was the only quoted source in the news story, and that his use of words like “heinous” and “sadistic” don’t exactly mark him as an impartial observer? The only mention in the story of the motivation for killing the puppy comes from that deputy.
Yeah, I’ll continue to use words like “surmised” and “alleged.”
I was responding specifically to the questions dissonance asked about my previous post. The previous post was in regards to eating baby animals, which would be okay, vs. torturing baby animals, which is not. Specifically, I stated that if the puppy had been killed for meat, bones, useful parts, and hide, not just revenge with hide on the side, I’d be much more okay with it.
(Also, baby seal hunters make a specific effort to club the seals in the head. Less work that way. Crushed skulls usually mean instant death. The methods of slaughtering cows in the U.S. would probably shock you. Ever hear of a “knocker”?)
I love these fascinating storied about killing various animals. But the subject was killing a 6 week old valuable puppy by shooting it 10 times. Then skinning it
Yep farmers kill for meat. Yep it is ugly how they kill cows. All great stories for some thread or other. But not this one.
What’s disturbing is that sane people don’t make belts from puppies.
Doing so borders on the criminally insane. If a 12 year old child expressed
his desire to julienne the family dog to make a belt, he would be dragged into counselling and pumped with as many drugs as the psychiatrist could fit onto a pad and the parents would be right in doing so.
A pet calf on the other hand is a food animal turned pet, not a companion animal turned target of insane rage.
Not getting the distinction between a pet of one species and a pet of another species, just because one is more usual as a pet than the other.
Not getting how it’s criminally insane to make a belt from the hide of a dead animal (outside of the whole revenge motivation, but that’s not inherent in making a belt). Hide is hide. Human hide, that gets a bit oogy, but apart from that it’s all the same.
Probably my rural upbringing showing, but I’m not being disingenuous here. I understand that you feel differently, and I even understand why you feel differently. But I am being quite honest in my reaction, and I believe it’s significantly more rational than yours.
Do you buy puppy belts? I have never heard of them. Do you have kitty slippers? One distinction of course is cows are raised for food and leather. I was not aware that farmers raised dogs for food and leather goods.
I’m shocked to learn that dogs aren’t raised for leather. :rolleyes:
I could give you a detailed explanation of the economics of meat and leather production, which would illuminate the reasons that dog hide belts aren’t a common consumer item, but I’m not sure what the point would be. If you want to irrationally proclaim puppies to be more deserving of humane treatment than cows because they’re sooooo cute!!!1! then you just go right ahead. I will continue to maintain that it’s exactly as bad to kill a cow for no reason as it is to kill a dog for no reason, and that it really just doesn’t matter what you do with the carcass after it’s dead.
For the record, my slippers were made from bunnies, not kitties.
Then deal with the subject. They shot a 6 week old puppy 10 times. I doubt they made a belt. It was too small. Then 10 holes in it would have been ridiculous unless they were on 1 inch intervals .
Because they are" sooo cute" is dishonest. There are lots of reasons dogs and cats are treated differently than cows. If you are unaware of the relationships people have with dogs, you would be living in a vacuum. They are trainable, they offer companionship and they offer protection. For many ,dogs are members of the family. They are affectionate, they will play with you. Some like English Bull dogs. Is that because they are cute?
Well, like I said, here in America there are roughly three classes of animal, one that we raise for food and clothing, one that we raise as companions and service animals and one that is wild and we do not raise or farm at all. We are not allowed to treat even the ones we use for food and clothing inhumanely. The ones we raise for companionship and/or service are one step above that, just because they can serve us in a way that the food/clothing animals cannot. In an academic sense there is no difference in animals at all, in the real world though (or at least in America) there is a great gulf of difference between them. If you shoot and kill a police service dog in some states, you would be charged with a felony. If, that is, you survived the initial encounter.
We (society) feel differently about those animals with whom we share our homes, sometimes our beds, our food and our lives. Because of that we have enacted laws and hold mores that dictate our general mood. You can claim to be more rational, but by that same rationale you could include humans, which is two steps too far.
I would hazard a guess that the majority of americans would likely side with me rather than with you. Is it because puppies are cute? Maybe. is it because they bring slippers and newspapers etc? Maybe. Bottom line is that if you think that making a belt out of a puppy is a good, normal thing to do, there is something wrong with you.
Logic, while critical to most applications, is not the only component of the human experience. We aren’t vulcans, we’re humans, flawed by emotion, this is true, but better that than the cold fingers of logic coloring every corner of our existance.
Are you sure you can’t train a cow? A cow can’t provide companionship?
That’s what this forum’s all about. I came here to bitch out person who shot the dog… in fact, if you read my posts after I agreed that **mswas **and **Miller **were ultimately right, I STILL called them derogatory things. I TRY to come to these boards with an open mind. The logical answers can be downright painful and even seemingly unfair. I would still want the truth over answers that I WANT to hear. Since I was a kid, that’s all I wanted, and I’m still growing. I still have a lot to learn. At least I’m not cheating myself out of what makes sense rather than take the easy road.
