Did this Charlottesville thing drag a bunch of remnants from the last Stormfront invasion out of the woodwork or what?
Those dregs have been egged on and encouraged since Trump won the Republican nomination. We’ll see worse in the future here, I believe.
Zeke N. Destroi wants tomndebb to get a warning for junior modding by threatening to dismiss him in the Pit.
[QUOTE=Zeke N. Destroi]
In this thread another poster made the claim that American slavery was on par with the Holocaust (12 million dead). I asked for a cite. Then I provided one for him in post 253. I then restated the number of slaves transported to America in post 267. I even referenced the original source.
Now along comes tomndebb in post 283 to display his erudition by repeating to me exactly the numbers that I twice quoted from the cited source, in the correct context, and saying I will be dismissed should I not get my numbers straight.
I have been nothing but respectful in that thread to those who were respectful to me. To those who weren’t I dissed them within the confines of the rules.
Why did I have a mod - who has a history of messing with people’s posts in order to improve his appearance - threaten me with dismissal for giving factual numbers, in context, with a reputable source, that tomndebb spat right back at me pretty much verbatim, threaten me with sanction.
At the very least this is worth a warning for junior modding since he isn’t the mod in the Pit.
But more importantly, he has already crossed a line once and now, out of the blue, he is threatening me with sanction for saying what he said I should have said?
Now I know that he may not have read the whole thread… but isn’t the rule that it is your own fault if you cross a line without having read the whole thread first?
He crossed a line - even without defining “dismissed.” Coming from a mod it certainly carries the threat of official sanction and he has access to the mod loop and influence that I do not.
Assuming this does not disappear into the ether or remain albeit altered I’d like an answer.
Zeke
ETA Titles will not accept coding so I’m sorry for tomndebb not being bolded
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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=833627
It’s clear to me that tomndebb means he’ll dismiss Zeke’s opinion as being stupid, not that he’ll take action against him as a poster.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
The 400,000 number referes to those transported to the United States.
12 million is the number transported to the U.S. plus the Caribbean islands, plus Brazil, plus several other locations.
I am not sure what point you are hoping to make, but you need to get your figures correct or you will be dismissed.
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Zeke clearly is not blessed with an abundance of gray matter. And I laughed out loud at the idea of tom getting a warning for junior modding outside of his assigned forum, since mods are permitted to exercise their authority in all sections of the firms.
So, you are saying that he is stupid enough to insist that I use the numbers I provided and cited in precisely the way that I did…twice and should I fail to use them in that manner he will stop taking me seriously?
So unless I use the numbers in the same way that he wants me to and I did (twice) but in an undefined different way that allows them to be exactly the same but somehow agreeable to him then I will be dismissed by him as a serious poster?
Fuck, and I thought he was fucking stupid.
What did he ever do to you?
That ATMB thread is either one of the finest examples of trolling, or the grossest display of stupidity I’ve seen here in a long time. I dismiss everything you say as the ravings of a fucking lunatic.
Alright Cochran fucking twaddle-cunt that you are.
You insist that when Dipshit came in out of nowhere and used numbers exactly how I used them - twice, with cites - and then insisted that I use them exactly as I already did I would be dismissed. Fair?
If not then please feel free to show me where I failed to use the numbers as he insisted that I ought to have. Numbers that I supplied to him (he used 400,000 which is what I used except that the cite gave 388,000 I just rounded up for easy math.)
Can you do it? I bet you can’t despite the pseudo-potency of sanctimony.
Then he said if I failed do act exactly as I had in accordance with his instructions I would be dismissed.
Now I contend that Dipshit is more than able to made a clear statement as to his intent. Let’s check out words synonymous with dismiss shall we?
Roget’s has [no fewer than 30 [/url examples under ejection in one form or another but only 10 for inattention.
Perhaps Roget’s is unfairly biased on the side of dismiss meaning ejection in one way or another. I mean 3 to one does seem a bit lop sided.
Besides, who uses Roget’s right. Let’s look for something reputable
So Thesaurus.com has, by my count [url=http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/dismiss?s=t] 28 synonyms that equate to ejection](http://www.roget.org/scripts/qq.php) while only 5 equate to ignored.
To be fair others may come to a different count but I tried to only count ones that are definitely in the ejection camp and those in the repudiated or ignored camp. Some I didn’t count such as divorce.
So given the two interpretations the vast weight falls on my side. Commonly to dismiss means to eject.
Now, I give Dipshit enough credit that I believe he is able to discern the nuances of a word and add a qualifier if need be, ie - your posts will be dismissed, …be dismissed by us, you will be dismissed as an idiot etc. etc. et fucking c.
You insist that he lacks the capacity to make such a simple distinction. You claim that he does not know the implications of the word used as an absolute and as such he merely erred. That is fine with me.
I say that he didn’t like what I was saying and he felt the need to drop in and threaten to dismiss me as an understated warning (to be official would step on Miller’s toes) intentionally open to interpretation so as to cover his ass while getting the point across.
You say that, despite his oft demonstrated facility with the language, he chose to use the word in such a way that it was aimed at the person with no qualifiers to indicate that it was meant to mean ignored, discounted.
Now I use as evidence for my contention only that he is very good with the language and I’ve not known him to misspeak (misact is another thing.) So to make such an obvious error would be out of keeping with him.
You claim that he was unaware of the connotations of the unqualified word and, in his ignorance, used it unadvisedly.
I contend that he is a smart prick.
You contend that he is stupid fop.
While the content of his post would insist that I agree with he, that Dipshit is, in fact, a stupid fop; my respect for him declares that I must remain contrarian and maintain that he is a smart prick.
Why you have chosen to advocate for someone you consider a stupid fop is beyond me, unless it is a misguided sense of duty to the impeded. But that’s as may be.
TLDR - I think Dipshit is a smart prick while Cochrane prefers to believe that Dipshit is a stupid fop**
Option three: You weren’t communicating clearly in your odd crusade against drawing rough comparisons between historical atrocities, and they were a bit lazy in interpreting the underlying meaning in your zig-zagging diatribe. No matter the accuracy of their criticism you’re left looking like an idiot.
Still, I don’t think this thread should drift this far into commenting on every display of stupidity on the board, so let’s go back to laughing at actual trolls.
Where did tomndebb say he was acting as a moderator? Find me one quote where he said <moderating> or <mod hat on> or anything like it. Also, find where I called him a stupid flop or otherwise implied that I don’t think he’s too bright. Otherwise, go shit in your hat, you fucking moron.
Yeah, I agree. We’re getting too close to discussing moderation here when it should stay in ATMB. I’m done here.
naita Thank-you for not calling me an actual troll 
For anyone who gives a damn, here is the full discussion that lead to my complaint.
I made the claim that slavery was capitalism, not genocide.
In post 232 on page 5 of this thread Iandiiii claimed that
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“Millions of black people were murdered over the course of slavery. Even more were raped and brutalized. The goal wasn’t genocide, but the moral crime was just as great – it’s no less evil to kidnap and rape someone every day for 50 years than to kill them on day 1.”
I replied in post 243:
"How many million? Does it come close to 12 million? If not then the numbers don’t equate. If it was close to 12 million then was it done in the space of 4 years? If not then the scale does not equate.
There has been no human atrocity EVER that comes near to the holocaust and to suggest that it is less than a singular event is to minimize the magnitude of it and I’m surprised that you would say otherwise."
Iandyiiii replied in post 244:
“Many, many more millions than 12 were killed by the brutality of slavery in the US…”
In 247 I asked for a cite for that
In post 253 I provided a cite and numbers:
I then compared the number of slaves brought to the US (388,000) divided by years of slavery in the US (341) and came to an average of 366567 who could have been “raped, brutalized and murdered” per year.
I just rechecked my numbers and holy fuck!!! I was way wrong and I have no idea how I was that wrong. Fuck me - major mea culpa on that! What did I do? the actual number is 1138 per year. Jesus do I feel stupid. I choose to blame it on the cat:rolleyes:
Either way
1138 raped, murdered, brutalized per year in American slavery
3 million per year during the holocaust (12 million divided by 4… see I can do some math)
I went on to say, sarcastically (though in retrospect not as obviously as I had thought) that the two were clearly equivalent.
In post 255 [b}Iandyiiii** said, “You might have to do some of the math yourself…” yeah, given my demonstrated ability that would be a good idea <— this is meant to mock me not him “… looking at slave population charts and estimated child mortality rates and expected life expectancies there were at the very least a few tens of millions of slaves in America for the whole of our history”
This is clearly wrong. There were not “a few tens of millions” of slaves - cumulatively.
Even my evidently shitty math can tell me that. Less than 1200 per year coming in will not reach tens of millions. Unless they bred like rabbits crossed with mice. And few died.
In post 257 (for anyone still reading now that my credibility is shot) I… said "That’s only the ones who came by ship. Many more were born in America, and all were subject to rape and brutalization.
You might feel that killing someone immediately is way worse than chaining them up and raping them for the rest of their lives, but I don’t. They’re both terribly evil."
He is still insisting that American slavery is as bad or worse than the holocaust (because the Nazis killed them all outright?)
In post 267 I said "Do you REALLY think that 400,000 slaves (that translates into an average of 1173 per year bloomed into 12 million - especially given the incredibly harsh conditions under which they lived.
For fuck sake they are humans not rabbits." Yay!!! I got the math right!!!
I went on to list various 20th century horrors that claimed many more lives and were at least brutal as American slavery. And that to equate American slavery to any one of them was to minimize them in terms of scale and magnitude.
Then in post 283 Dipshit chimes in and starts by quoting me:
I said that less than 400,000 slaves were transported to America during the 341 years of slavery
Dipshit Refutes me by saying that the 400,000 only refers to slaves transported to America.
I’ve always said American slavery. I’ve always referred to American slavery because we are talking about SLAVERY in fucking AMERICA.
Then because my saying 400,000 slaves were transported to America didn’t jibe with Dipshit’s 400,000 slaves transported to America he cryptically warns me of my dismissal should I not get my numbers right.
TLDR Look at post 283 of the thread in discussion and see if anything I said failed to mesh with what he told me I should be saying.
If you were truly thankful you wouldn’t have posted this useless crap here. Make a separate whiny thread if you must keep flogging this dead horse, for fucks sake!
Okay then, eat shit you fucking twat. Is that better?
I hadn’t meant to imply that you endorsed the whole fucking thing and if you inferred that then that’s on you.
I laid out my case. I changed nothing, I altered nothing. I gave the conversation as it applied.
If that’s offensive to you then fine.
I reiterate - eat shit you fucking twat.
Bugger off douche nozzle.
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No how long did you work to come up with that one? Do you need a nap now little one?
Here’s a tootsie to suck on, I know it isn’t a dick, but I promise I’m not your type.
My actual (not funny really) snarky reply to you follows after you (not funny) snarky shot at me, but really, seriously. You claim to be a writer and pontificate as though thou wert the VonnegOrwell incarnate and yet I find your name nowhere.
Are you a hidden genius afraid of exposing yourself GRR Martin or are you some pretentious self-publishing self-aggrandizing schlub.
I know, you ARE Grr Tolkein aren’t you?
You’re absolutely right. It is much better that one doesn’t break up thoughts into paragraphs. Oh, that sort of thing isn’t done because one must adopt proper form? of course one must accept that proper form has and is changing and as much as we purists might like to think otherwise it is the truth. Al.as. So please, do tell me exactly how you would like the spacing to be!I know that this is certainly preferable to breaking things up but I’m never exactly sure. See around here people get thumped for nowhjere near enuf breaks and then theyget thumpedforfartoomanybreaks and they get call on Punc.tuati;onandspeeling butonly if theyare beingmocked buthte mockershavenothingthat they
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Is that better PrInCeSs?
Came up with it right off the top of my head. Now why don’t you go away before we are inundated with recipes?
/hijack
Cite?
I did the math (requiring some estimates, I’ll admit) and showed my work in the other thread, in case anyone’s curious.
That’s not what I inferred. But by all means, keep giving us examples of your abysmal reading comprehension.
Just do it in a more appropriate thread. And when given such excellent advice as I have given, the appropriate response is never “eat shit you fucking twat”. It’s at a minimum: “Eat shit, you fucking twat!” or preferably “Thank you! I will go have a think about the errors of my ways now.”