On vitriol and the state of America

Putting migrant kids in cages (with substandard care) and purposefully separating families; kicking transgender folks out of the military; fanning the flames of war with Iran; trying to end the ACA with no replacement; just to start with.

Again, if we are going that far down the line, then we can point to analogues on the other side that would cause “harm or death.” Almost any policy position taken by anyone helps some and harms others.

If those are your issues then I submit that you are, respectfully, substituting hate for mere political disagreement.

This, of course, is just bullshit. There are, of course, people who move to escape oppression. Those people tend to be the very wealthy who can afford it or those who are so poor they must do it to survive. The majority of middle class people with ties to family and jobs make such moves only with an amount of burden that is greater than the amount of so-called “predation” that you posit. Moving back to your initial claims, people persecuted for ethnicity or religion or sexuality may not actually have any place they may move, even if they had the resources. Proposing that sort of solution as a counter to "political disruption is not a good faith argument, but I am glad that you have exposed your actual beliefs, here.

I’m not talking about my feelings - my feelings come from the racism and sexual assault stuff. I understand those issues aren’t as big a deal for many folks as they are for me (and there are vice versa issues, I’m sure).

I thought about it and couldn’t come up with an analog on the other side for these policies that could cause harm or death to one’s self or loved ones. No analog to locking up kids, separating families, booting trans military folks; etc. Maybe you can?

Gary Willis was recently killed by the police while they were serving one of the left’s new-fangled “red flag” ERPO’s (source). That’s an example of a left-wing policy that has & will get people literally killed.

Kind of hard to blame a law for a death when the guy killed was deliberately NOT following the law.

I have no idea what this policy is, I’m unaware of any prominent Democrats who support it (presumably some in Maryland), and your link gives no information about how this policy resulted in someone’s death.

I agree, and I think I know exactly how and when this began – in the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan and the conservative Republicans got in bed with the evangelical Christian right. Because religion (at least, their sort of religion) isn’t about right and wrong; it’s about good and evil. The culture warriors of the Christian right don’t have opponents who are wrong-headed or misguided; no, they war with enemies who are debased, corrupt, and evil.

The guy was killed as a result of enforcement action undertaken by law enforcement officers in service of Maryland’s ERPO law. I don’t think it’s all that different from, for example, blaming NY’s ban on selling “loosies” for Eric Garner’s death. Certainly there is some amount of blame that can be laid at the dead men’s feet in both cases, but I don’t think the law enforcement effort was exactly up to the level of competence we’d prefer to see in either case, too.

Seriously? It’s right there in the first paragraph:

If that’s not enough detail, the words “left a Maryland man dead” in that paragraph are a link to another story that goes into more details about the events that lead up to Gary Willis’ death.

It goes back much further than Reagan (Barry Goldwater in 1994: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”). The good vs. evil stuff, based on simplistic religiosity, drove the Commie scare in the Fifties and Sixties, the earlier anti-immigrant scare in the 1930’s (and earlier waves), every war … every time a tinhorn needs some support, he can do so by fanning worry into fear, fear into hate, and hate into votes. A religion that peddles certainty and chosen-ness and righteousness, without bothering adherents with the burden of actual thought, goes right along with that sort of political manipulation.

When you’re a medical provider who is supposed to be providing them medical care, yes. It’s utterly amazing to me that someone can read of horrific cruelty like that and just shrug it off, while whining that people who condemn it are engaging in ‘vitriol’.

In his first three months in office, Trump had:

  1. Made efforts imposing burdens on women, either exclusively or primarily either through Executive Order or by submitting Budget Cuts or by nominating people to Federal positions who have endorsed some of the following positions:

Slashed support for military caregivers
Eliminated child care for military families
Slashed nutrition assistance for WIC
Removed Official Information on Sexual Violence and More from Government Websites
Shifted Funding from Evidence-Based Teen Pregnancy Prevention Programs to Abstinence-Only
Cut violence against women programs
Cut after-school programs
Denied women reproductive, educational, and counseling services by limiting Title X availability
Attacked Planned Parenthood and Defended lies about Planned Parenthood
Brought back the Global Gag Rule and Halted family planning funds abroad
Threatened maternity coverage by nominating Seema Verma
Cut funding for teen pregnancy prevention
Cut the National Domestic Violence Hotline
Defended accused sexual harassers
Cut violence against women programs

  1. Racism and Bigotry:

Violated Fair Housing Act in 1970s and continues to deny he did
Birther lies (that he continued to mention after he claimed to have found evidence it was not true).
Actively promoted hatred toward the Central Park Five and continues to publicly claim they were guilty after evidence demonstrated that they were innocent
Sparked an increase in bullying with support for racists such as happened in Charlottesville
Opened his 2016 campaign with slurs on Mexicans
Earliest Executive Orders attempted bans on Muslims
Claimed he could not get a fair trial in his Trump University lawsuit because a(n Indiana) judge was “Mexican”
Referred to Haiti and most of Africa as “shithole countries”
Lied that he had not made the comment’

Since his first three months, he has gotten worse.
For example, he promotes the change to the Census to exclude non-citizens even though the numbers represented by the Electoral College are Constitutionally based on persons, not citizens and money distributed by Congress goes to states based on population, not citizenship.

I lament and have opposed the expressions of hatred toward Trump and his administration. However, to the extent that they have involved hatred (as opposed to simple mockery which I endorse), they began after he expressed contempt for physically disabled people, contempt for women, contempt for Sen. McCain, engaged in persistent name-calling and persistent lies in support of Birtherism, expressed of violence against other citizens, (telling his crowds to beat up protestors, telling police to manhandle arrested persons), etc.

Do you ever actually read or listen to or watch news stories regarding his actions?

Get back to me when your brother wants to protect an Emergency Room staff who, upon encuntering someone like you, will simply let you bleed out instead of providing actual medical care. Or when he wears a symbol that says that people like you are inferior by blood and should be enslaved for the betterment of people like him. Or when he wears another symbol that means he thinks people like you should be rounded up and exterminated. “This person wants to kill me, enslave me, or otherwise cause me great harm” is a great reason to disagree and not be friendly.

Millions are on the move globally doing what you suggest. Isn’t it 4 million who have fled from the socialist paradise of Venezuela to date? If you have to move then move. However, it would be nice if those who were doing the predation could be removed.

1994 was before Reagan? :stuck_out_tongue:

His post is an example of what would have been sneeringly dismissed as pointless tone policing 3-4 short years ago. In other words, leftist condescension, as has been pointed out several times by a multitude of people, is actually counterproductive.

The “change to the Census” is merely to ask if people are citizens. His administration is not proposing that we “exclude non-citizens” from the census count or population totals.

Jesus H.W. Where in America does this happen? Was this in a movie you watched recently? If so, it was not a documentary.

With a straight face, eh?