Where is the contradiction? Republicans want to impose puritanical morality on everyone but themselves and if your head wasn’t inserted where it ought not to be, you might be able to see the plain truth.
No, conservatives want to create a country where 1-in-4 high school girls don’t have STDs, where high schools don’t have 1-in-8 pregnancy rates, and where 2nd-graders aren’t sucking each other off in the classroom.
You might call that imposing morality…and you’d be right. It’s about time someone was.
So it is OK to impose your values to achieve a social end? Perhaps we can address the gun violence problem by regulating access to weapons.
As long as law-abiding people can still get guns if and when they want, then I have no problem with regulating access to them. The trouble with allowing the government to regulate stuff is that it never stops. Government is always seeking more power and more control. I think you’d find righties a lot more amenable to certain types of government programs and regulations if only there was some sort of guarantee that they would go no further.
Liberals feel the same way about government meddling in morality.
My actual quote, of course, was, “It is acceptable for…” not “Should die.”
It’s acceptable for children to die so that we can have airlines.
It’s acceptable for cute puppies and kittens to die to we can have car travel.
Because children are killed in airline crashes, and cute kittens and puppies are killed by cars. And neither inevitability causes us to stop using those methods of transportation.
From another post in that same linked thread:
These cost-benefit questions are obvious to everyone (except, apparently, Lobohan, whose grasp of basic economic concepts is on par with Snooki’s grasp of modesty.)
My only question for Lobohan would be: do you KNOW you’re this foolish? Or do you think of yourself as pretty bright?
Well, to be fair, if Planned Parenthood is defunded, women will actually die as a result. The number of abortions will likely double as a result of reduced access to contraceptives, and of course all of those unplanned pregnancies will cost taxpayers nearly four times more than they were willing to spend to prevent them. (See the ‘‘Contraceptive Needs and Services’’ report found on this page.)
It’s amazing to me that someone who hates single parenthood so much would want to support a policy that will dramatically increase the number of single parents. We also know that access to family planning services is considered a basic human right by international standards, and that we have seen countries who receive access to these services rise out of poverty and into the developed world. Defunding Planned Parenthood doesn’t make sense morally or fiscally.
It may sound hyberbolic to you, but it’s really not. Women will die as a direct result of this policy. And those are only the direct costs - try to imagine what will happen to our country after a veritable flood of poor single Moms (single parenthood and unplanned pregnancy have been declining for decades you know, ever since family planning clinics became inexpensive and ubiquitous.) If you find the state of the country upsetting now, I think you really have no idea what you are about to unleash with these cuts - but I am certain you will not like it.
I personally am not particularly in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood. The genie has been let out of the bottle and we have unmarried girls and women getting pregnant all over the place, and like you correctly point out, allowing this to go unchecked, and/or withholding contraceptives, would only result in that many more children being raised without benefit of a two-parent home…which I think in most cases is a recipe for a troubled, substandard life.
I’m not quite clear on just how it is that women are going to die because of this, but perhaps you’re aware of some services that PP provides that I’m not aware of. But what I do know is that it’s utter nonsense for Democrats to claim that Republicans “want” to kill women…that they are in fact being elected so as to kill women. The fact of the matter is that people die every day because of one government decision or another. More people die when the speed limit is 70 mph than when it is 40 mph. Does this mean that the people who run state highway departments “want” to kill motorists? It’s ridiculous. There are people on the Republican side of the aisle who think that Planned Parenthood fosters abortions and promiscuity and they don’t wan’t government tax dollars going to support an organization that they view as subborning murder and promiscuity. They most likely feel that if abortions and STDs go up as a result of defunding PP, then that is the fault of the people involved and theirs. At least they haven’t played a role in making that happen.
So what it boils down to is an issue of morality, with the right being motivated by its view of what’s right and wrong and how people should behave. Now, as I said, I don’t completely agree with this and I’m sure there are other conservatives who don’t wholeheartedly agree with it either. But one thing we do know is that efforts to defund Planned Parenthood are NOT based on a desire to “kill women”, and I find it more outrageous than I can find words to express that the head of the U.S. Senate and a duly elected Congresswoman would claim that Republicans are motivated by a desire to kill women. In fact, I think anybody spreading that kind of hatred and those kinds of lies should be removed from office as they are clearly unfit to lead.
Well, that’s mostly because Trump’s Birther questions are, in point of fact, really stupid.
Well, Mr. One-Man House Unamerican Activities Committee, name some names, and we’ll see if your claim holds water.
And claiming that Republicans want to kill women isn’t?
Our search engine is useless when it comes to the kind of keywords it would take to find them. If you really doubt it’s true and aren’t just using cite requests in an attempt at obfuscation, then I’d suggest that you look through just about any of the threads having to do with Obamacare. This board is full of whingebags who said just that.
Less than there used to be. “Illegitimate” pregnancy peaked in the 50s that you love so much. Except back then they were hustled off out of sight in shame; I recall how my mother told me about how half her female classmates dropped out of college because of pregnancy. Which is probably one reason you like those old standards; keeping women ignorant, humiliated and pregnant is something the Right likes.
No, because they constantly perform actions designed to do just that. And because they are a collection of woman hating sadistic lunatics, so such behavior is to be expected of them.
My state is solidly republican with a church on every corner and has the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the nation. Lack of education and contraception do not equate to less STDs and pregnancies.
I agree that this comment was inappropriate. I think it’s shameful the way our national public discourse has broken down and I am embarrassed by the behavior of many of the people that have been voted into office.
I really don’t know what the alternative is. I guess the best we can do is demonstrate a better example in our personal lives and vote for people we feel embody the civility we treasure. But I voted for Obama for exactly that reason, and I have been disappointed by his lack of assertiveness on several key issues. He hasn’t owned his own accomplishments nor has he really effectively dealt with the lies and slander about his own life and motives. How many times can you get punched in the face before you’re ethically allowed to hit back? It makes me wonder if there really can be effective leaders in politics without tossing civility out the window. And that really depresses me.
Just to make sure, you are aware that we’ve always had teenage, unwed mothers…that this is not a recent development, correct? And that it is because of places like PP that this rate has dampened down.
Maybe you should do some research about PP before creating a thread like this one, eh? Only 3% of its operations goes to abortions–none of which are funded through federal monies. The rest goes to things like pap smears, mammograms, prostate exams (yes, men even access their services), STD screenings, and other reproductive health services. For the poor and uninsured.
They may not want their beautiful wives and daughters to die, you’re right. Because chances are the Republicans in Congress make so much dough that their family members (or mistresses) don’t have to use PP.
And I don’t think they necessarily want the rest of us to die either. But they couldn’t care less about what happens to us. They see moral failings in someone who has to rely on sliding-scale services. Thus, they don’t matter. They are scum anyway. If you need an abortion and can’t afford to go the nearest for-profit clinic, well, you shouldn’t have gotten in trouble in the first place, see? If this type of punishment results in death, oh well. You probably were on welfare anyway.
No, this analogy is ridiculous. You do a cost-benefit analysis in such a situation, and decide that that the benefit of raising the speed limit (increased tax revenue from gas usage, less traffic, happier motorists, less monies wasted on enforcing draconian traffic laws, etc.) are outweighed by the costs. What is the cost-benefit ratio of eliminating not just PP but all the other organizations like it? Well, you get to save a few pennies in the federal budget, true. And perhaps a small minority of people who were going to get abortions will go on and have unwanted pregnancies because they can’t afford other places. But the costs? How many people die of preventable reproductive problems currently? Well, that number will only increase. And teenage pregnancy rates will certainly not get better.
And these are stupid people. Promiscuity is not a problem that the government can or should be in the business of “fixing”. But it can mitigate its inevitable effects. I think this reasoning–that by removing the solution that the problem will go away–is ludicrous. Do Republicans think people will stop fucking because they don’t have free condoms? Or that a woman who wants an abortion will have a sweeping change of mind when she realizes she can’t just go to the PP fifty miles away from her?
Again, abortions were a never part of the federal budget. So they never had a “role” to play in the first place.
And all this “fault” crap is what gets on my nerves. It’s fine and good to talk about punishing individuals who get gonorrhea and HIV, but if they don’t even know they have these things, or they don’t have money to get treated, then it becomes a societal problem that does affects you, me, and even those self-righteous Congress people, especially the very many who go slutting around at night. Who’s fault is it when we have an upswell in the number of unwanted, under-cared-for children? Is it the kids’ fault? And if Republicans want to swipe PP out from under the poor cancer victims’ feet and also abolish Obamacare, then why SHOULDN’T someone infer from this that they want people to die? It’s one thing to talk about death panels. It’s another thing to be the death panel. And that’s exactly what these fools on Capital Hill are aiming to be. It’s completely indefensible.
I think you misread; they were just bringing in Republicans, and they are all Prostitutes.
SA if Republicans don’t like being called evil, they can stop being evil. Actions have consequences.
Especially in Alaska.
Hows that hopey you’re chaste-ity thing workin for ya’?
Of course there are going to be people who die in transportation accidents. That has utterly nothing to do with what you said. Poor people dying from lack of care isn’t something unavoidable. In fact, if we switched to a universal system, we could pay less as a society than we do now, and all but eliminate that problem.
But you would rather pay extra, so that your sick and evil arrogant desire to see yourself as top-predator can be writ large. Very un-Christian.
Again, you hypocritical, evil sack of shit, the cost-benefit for this is such that it would actually cost less and benefit more to switch to a universal system. But you’re so invested in your delusion of superiority that you would rather more people die so that we can perpetuate a system where money is the deciding factor. As I said, you aren’t someone Christ would have respected.
I’m of the impression that I’m okay. I’m also of the impression that you are a loathsome scrap of offal.
I posit that the Republicans are perfectly capable of multi-tasking and working on more than one class of victim at a time.
If you do prefer to do it sequentially, I humbly suggest that your next targets be people who get birth-control medication subsidized through their health plans.
You know…HMO-sexuals.
Do you have any suggestions as to just how your ideas of “imposing morality” might be expedited? Shall we force the teenaged girls with STDs to have a scarlet symbol of some sort sewn on their clothes while we defund STD treatment centers? Maybe round up all the pregnant ones, put them in camps and give the babies to good moral Republican (Catholic, I suppose, or Southern Baptist) families, who are of course famous for their enthusiasm for adopting racially “inferior” children?
And just who is the “someone” that it’s about time they impose their morality on the rest of us?
A pity you only apply this standard to Democrats.