The only thing I can ever hold against Carter is making the election of Ronald There’s a Free Lunch And We’re Going to Eat It Reagan possible. Treating other nations with repect- what a novel idea! Too bad Reagan and Bush II couldn’t grasp it.
Well, if you define “botching a rescue operation” as “treating Iran with respect”…
And of course, the whole “warrantless wiretapping” thing that the peanut farmer started.
Regards,
Shodan
I was thinking more in terms of the Panama Canal treaty. Had the rescue gone as planned, Carter would have won a second term. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. He could have started a war over it but didn’t . As a result, nobody died.
Of course, regardless of what you think about Carter, dubya makes him look like frikkin’ Jed Bartlett.
I proudly cast my vote for Obama. I am sick of being extorted by insiders who tell me, “trust me, I know how to work the system”. I don’t want to get health care for everyone in the same way that I get a speeding ticket fixed. I want transparency in government, I want accountability from the executive. Obama shows me that he has respect for the necessity of both.
That may be idealistic, it may be naive. But God help me at this point I am willing to risk it.
Well, if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. But she doesn’t, and neither did Carter.
But incompetence never is.
I’m afraid you’re wrong about that.
Regards,
Shodan
I want Obama to win, but my gut tells me that Clinton will squeak by with the nomination. McCain will then wipe the floor with Clinton in the national election.
OK, I stand corrected. Eight died. Still he’s a piker compared to W.
“Still not as bad as Bush”. The SDMB’s ultimate tu quoque.
For the rest of time, or eighteen months after a Republican takes the White House, whichever comes first.
Regards,
Shodan
Give me a president who tries to negotiate and winds up with a failed rescue attempt vs. one the calls other nations evil and shoots first and asks questions later.
Carter really should have taken a closer look at those helicopters.
I still don’t see how Obama is supposed to resemble Carter, except for the Beltway-outsider factor.
Quartz and Anduril, knock off the name-calling and ratchet back the hostility.
(As it happens, the specific rules against attacks in GD relate to other posters, not off-board third parties, but when it starts to go personal, here, or is used to simply raise hackles we don’t need it, here, either.)
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Obama may end up getting the nomination, but any Obama supporters who are figuring he’s got it nailed have no idea just how much slogging remains ahead of him if he’s going to do so.
Similarly, anyone predicting a sweeping McCain victory in November if Clinton does get the Dem nom should question whether they are seriously underestimating Clinton the politician.
Apparently, Hillary’s already thrown in the towel in both Kansas and North Dakota.
I’m still predicting an Obama blowout in the Primary that few saw coming, and a comfortable win in the General.
I’m with ya Shayna and so are tens of thousands of other like minded folk.
BTW - He was ELECTRIFYING last night in Hartford. He packed the entire stadium to standing room only. People cheered for 10 minutes before letting him speak. 
Sadly, I have to admit I’m one of those who believes Clinton will win the democratic nomination, and then be eviscerated by McCain in the GE. In addition, the insane vitriol against Clinton is palpable in the republican party base which, as someone else mentioned, will mobilize like never before in opposition to a Hillary presidency.
Unfortunately, I think we’re looking at four more years of a republican presidency, even though McCain will gravitate back to the center once he has the nomination locked up and will be ultimately deemed palatable by many democrats and independents.
As others have said, I hope I’m wrong, as I believe Obama can beat McCain.
I’m not worried in the least about November, no matter which Dem wins the nomination.
In a much less favorable environment four years ago, and while being a weaker candidate than either of these two, Kerry lost to Bush nationally by 2.5% of the vote.
I think either one of them will be a nontrivial improvement over Kerry.
Damn, and I thought I was fortunate enough to catch it live on C-Span. I have a feeling you’ll be telling your young’uns about that night for a long time. I’ve caught just about all of his appearances on C-Span and noticed that he broke in some new material last night. When he broke down the ‘okey-doke’ or when, just before he went into the hope part of his speech, he went point by point in welcoming a debate against Mccain. He was on fire last night, he was even interacting with the crowd more so than usual.
How were you able to get in? Did you have to buy or earn tickets or just get in line early enough?
So jealous…
Campaigning for him from day one in CT got us campaign passes…we worked the event as much as attended. I’ll tell you one thing that I am already sure you know, if he get’s the nom we were witnessing the next president last night.
ROCK ON BARACK!
It’s interesting, I have not bee this fired up about a candidate ever in an election, I’m a 30-something so I haven’t had a great pool of people to vote for. Bill Clinton was the last person I voted for who I really enjoyed. I have nothing much against he or his wife personally, but there is no way I’d cast my vote for her, no way no how. I want to be inspired, I want to know my president is going to work for me and my family, I want to understand him when he speaks on television.
Barack is under NO misconceptions that he will have it easy when in office, as a matter of fact he knows he got a shit load of cleaning up to do. I trust him to do it. I do not trust Hilary to run this country. We are all democrats in this race, I understand that, but Obama is a representative for me of a 21st century president - and I can’t wait to see the battleground after today and acerss what falls out from this primary. I do believe he is going to do quite well across the country.