“Take the collection plate and please don’t shoot me!”
WTH is this supposed to mean?
Does anyone else understand what he’s trying to say?
If I may attempt to interpret
Part 1- Some women(and presumably some men) make deals with demons before they are born. These deals include hidden clauses and downsides. In some cases, these hidden downsides are rape. But, some rapes happen for other reasons.
Part 2- I’m not sure.
Normally they take the insight that God has revealed very well and they thank the Lord. Through me God is opening their eyes to the power of God, and not to their worldly training.
One however, who it was revealed is a modern day Pharisee, didn’t like it when I talked to some of the people telling them that they can and should pray on their own and don’t need the minister to reach God (really this was my only message, to pray on their own to Jesus). He tried in the service to discredit me, insult me, and finally ‘excommunicated’ me from his church.
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In part of our dealing we have attempted to take control of our reproduction, this has taken the planning of who would be our children and spouses out of God’s hands and let it in the hands of the enemy. They steer our lives to people God never intended us to mate with, and children we were never suppose to have. Forming non-cohesive families that are not loving environments which greatly harm the children who can’t spiritually reach maturity.
Man, that’s some scary world your god subjects you to. I’m glad I don’t have to live there; fortunately, there are many, many universes to choose from, and yours only intersects with mine on a messageboard.
You don’t have to name the actual location of this particular church-just tell us which sect.
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This is Great Debates. Stop that.
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Why, oh, why did I just take the time to read these 600 posts? It was entertaining, but in many cases frustrating.
As to the OP, when a Ouija board spells something out, it is being manipulated by one or more of the people using it. End of story. Not spiritual, not mysterious, not mystical.
You’re saying this as if you were talking about something real that has actual characteristics. If any of this was true–any of it at all–then these spirits would be leaving behind actual evidence of their existence. To know that “they love to play,” you’d have to actually interact with them and get in their heads (so to speak). You’re making this stuff up as you go, right? Or are you quoting someone else who made it up and convinced you?
We do. The kids using them are on the other side. Piece of cake.
You’ve summed it up beautifully here, Czar. I dreamed about giant jackalopes once, but that doesn’t mean they exist. Lekatt is once again drinking his own Kool-Aid.
Help with what? How does reading about stuff that other people hallucinated, dreamed, or made up going to help me with anything?
Utah has sex. Where do you think little Mormons come from?
You’re missing the point, kanicbird. If you see something that isn’t there, that’s called hallucinating. If you’re hallucinating, then you’re either sick (physically or mentally) or under the influence of some mind-altering substance.
Unless I missed it somewhere, you’ve carefully avoided responding to the people who asked for the name of this professor. Was your experiment recorded? What does this professor teach? Was proper scientific method applied? Can you provide any evidence that you’re not just messing with us?
Do you really believe this stuff?
I know, that’s a stupid question. If you believe it, you’ll say “yes,” and if you don’t believe it, you’ll say “yes,” because you won’t want to admit to lying.
Of course.
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If you tell the kids the kind of things you’ve talked about in this thread, then that is downright scary. You realize you could screw them up badly, right?
If you are referring to the one that excommunicated me, reformed church of America which is part of dutch reformed.
I’m not talking about things that are not there, I’m talking about things you can’t see - big difference. It would be foolish, and a bit self centered, and ‘holier then thou’ to say something doesn’t exist just because you never saw it, and dangerous and damaging for you to tell someone that something that is real and they can see that it doesn’t exist. Sorry but science is not an authority on reality either, it has proven itself time and time again inadequate to place any such faith in.
Well you might think it’s a silly question but I absolutely know it’s true and it as real, actually ‘realer’ then they computer you use to type this on.
Of course.
Why would you assume I tell kids these things, do yo teach kindergartners about condom use or evolution? Or do you wait to the appropriate age to teach your downright scary stuff to them to screw them up. IMHO you are doing far more damage then I am by saying Love and hug the children.
You’re talking about things that exist in your hallucinations, your dreams, and your visions. Somehow, of all the billions of people that have lived in our world, these demons and spirits have always managed to avoid appearing to anyone who understands the scientific method, they’ve never left solid evidence of their existence. They’re called “phantoms” for a reason: they exist only in the imaginations of believers.
I said “if.” I was not assuming that you told them anything.
You have absolutely no clue what I tell children, and therefore absolutely no basis for assuming I’m doing damage to them. I will tell you that I don’t tell them stories about ghost, demons, devils, witches and such without explaining beforehand that they’re just stories.
I am pretty sure that Reformed Church doctrine is explicit that people can pray to God/Jesus directly without clerical intermediacy. I wonder if the reason for your expulsion was more in the way you communicated this or in your sharing of your extra-Biblical revelations.
So, I begin reading this interesting thread on Ouija boards and I just skipped ahead a bit…
Oh, it got WAY more interesting after the Ouija board part was exhausted.
You answer so many at once how can you consider.
Let me give you an experiment. Get a pendulum. It can be made with a stiff string and a weigth at the bottom. But a real one works better. Now hold the string and let the weight swing freely. Try really hard to keep the weight still by holding your hand and fingers very still. You can put your elbow on a table. Now ask a question with a yes or no answer that answers yes. Watch the pendulum swing and note the direction, then do the same for a question with a no answer. Do not try to influence the pendulum in any way, keep hand and fingers still. Then be patient with it and tell me what happened. Remember not to move your hand with the swing of the pendulum remain still.
Yep, I’ve played that game. Didn’t work at all for me, although I watched other people do it. They never got a single piece of actual useful information.
Can you answer these questions for me, lekatt? I’d really like to know:
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If these things (pendulums, ouija boards, and so on) worked, then why can’t people use them for useful stuff, like solving crimes, finding buried treasure, or deciding what stocks to invest in? Heck, I’d buy a ouija board in a second if it would help me fix computer problems.
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Why has none of this stuff ever been demonstrated in a lab? The test is really easy (determine random stuff) and people have offered big money for anyone who can do it. Yet for some reason, nobody ever seems to be able to reproduce the results under controlled conditions.
But you ARE impacting the pendulum. You even stated it in your experiment–‘try really hard to keep the weight still by holding your hand and fingers very still’. No matter how you try, you will influence the pendulum. How can you not?
This is what people (in my opinion) have been trying to get you to understand–this isn’t a scientific experiment. It has too many variables that can be influenced, even subconsciously. A good experiment would take out those other variables that can be explained by other influences. The studies you cite don’t do that.
Why don’t you try the same thing by placing the pendulum on a fixed base where NO human interactions can influence it. This still isn’t a good solution–but it at least in more in the right direction. But at least you can then take the human (even subconscious) interactions as a cause.
Now if you took it further and put in into a scientific environment with a control–now you are talking. Then you would have some data that could be compared and discussed.
Until then all you have is a biased impression of something that has multiple explanations, and most people aren’t going to go immediately to the paranormal for the answer when it could be any number of satisfactory explanations resulting from simple human influence.
Didn’t intend it to be so complicated, no need to know why.
No one said it was science. Science is not everything, at least not to me. Is it valuable, does it help anyone? That is for the user to determine.