Only one thing posted there is accurate.
So regardless of actual conviction or intent, form alone CAN have real consequences. And you still think there’s no harm in it?
Wait, so your contention is that the (predominantly anonymous) Red Pill crowd can’t be actual abusers in real life because actual abusers tend to present a civil facade in real life while hiding their true vileness in the shaddows?
Do you see the hole in that argument?
This makes absolutely not sense at all.
If they want to troll they wouldn’t write misogynistic stuff at redpill, they’d do it here.
Or if they want to troll at redpill they’d write feminist stuff.
But saying that they are trying to get the biggest rise by writing just like the majority is just stupid.
Exactly.
Just who are they supposed to be trolling?
The remaining 5%?
Italics mine.
Besides keyboards, they might have access to acid…
http://www.acidviolence.org/index.php/survivors/category/pakistan/ (NSFW)
*And yes, this happens in other nations and other cultures, but given AK84’s nationality, I thought to highlight these.
And given my nationality and profession, you also forgot these
Violence against children
Domestic Violence.
You want to use acid attack survivors as a trump card to win an argument over the internet?
I have seen directly types of violence visited upon people of a description you cannot even imagine. Things I did’t actually think were possible. The types that they don’t publish in international newspapers. And I have met the perps too. And no, those guys are about as related to Redpill crowd as a Nazi to a schoolyard bully.
So, if you want to turn this into a discussion on gender, class or ethnic based violence in Pakistan or the motivations of the attackers, then lets have at it. Hope you have a strong stomach.
Stop the presses!
The article raises a number of cogent points. “MRA=Feminism” is not one of them. Not entirely sure where you got that idea.
That’s nice; is he wrong, or does that in any way discredit what he’s saying? He’s an expert speaking on or at least directly adjacent to his field of expertise; the fact that he’s selling a book does nothing to discredit that. Additionally, what he’s saying should be blatantly obvious to anyone who’s spent any time whatsoever on sites like this. But please, continue shooting the messenger, see how convincing that is when you’re defending the fucking red pill subreddit.
….Vinyl Turnip still has the comprehension capacity of a sugar high 4 year old.
Your own excerpt in the above post
If you don’t understand the difference between radical feminism and feminism, you probably aren’t qualified to opine on the relative degrees of assholery involved in the RF/MRA echo chambers concerned.
:rolleyes:
So you think MRA guys have a point? Cause Radical Feminists and Feminists have actual points that are valid. The main difference between the two is what the remedy is. Not the probelms. Which are absolutely real.
Now? How would they do it now? I don’t believe NH allows recall.
Not punchy enough for a headline.
Howsabout: Plucky Poster still as petulant as a preschooler!
Or if it’s a science and nature journal: *Turnip offers educational benefits for those with distorted perception of reality *
Radical feminism involves a suite of arguments that are largely based on axioms that are unsupported by evidence, in particular that gender is primarily or entirely a social construct. It’s a largely academic field that remains somewhat divorced from reality. You know, like dweebs who contribute to Redpill. The RF movement has little to do with actually agitating for women’s equality or even against misogyny, and there is a substantial component aligned with transphobic hatemongering.
Your knowledge of precisely what the MRA people are about, and the actual damage they do, seems to be rather superficial and apologetic. That’s not surprising, given your own substantial posting history of oblivious sexism.
Let’s try a different tack.
So, what inBudget Player Cadet’s postdo you agree with?
Maybe we can build on that?
Considering I have mentioned MRA’s only in passing and that too negatively, (the Redpill is not synonymous with MRA, although it has them) I am curious as to and where the hell you get “given your own substantial posting history of oblivious sexism”. Do you have an actual argument, instead of using boilerplate buzzwords.
The poster says that sites such as these give a platform to vile and despicable opinions. I agree. Where I disagree is when s/he states that everyone who visits and posts there (full disclosure, I have never posted on the website Reddit ever) is necessarily vile and dangerous. Or necessarily supports. Or that reading it somehow makes you an approver of the message. A significant portion of Redpill posters are women, who try to debate the more extreme posters.Or with good intentions somehow convince them that women are not evil.
In a later post Budget gives examples of criminal actions undertaken by people “inspired” by sites like this. Frankly, I doubt sites like this will inspire people either way. People who commit these acts already have the propensity to do so even before RedPill and its ilk were ever created.
Budget Player Cadet pointed out that Stormfront (which you likened RedPill to) is a real example of a vile and socially noxious forum that is NOT a joke.
You can accept that, right?
What about BPC’s last point in that post?
That’s what this thread is about, afterall. The real-world anti-feminist lawmaker who started RedPill, not as a joke.
“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that’s just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it’s a joke.”
― Søren Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Part I