This Palestinian mother was shown such kindness by Jews when her young son was treated, free of charge, for his heart problem in an Israeli hospital. She freely acknowledges this, but she still hopes that her child will grow up to be a martyr. This video is a rare look into the mind of someone who worships death and destruction. She describes the difference between her culture and all of Western society perfectly when she explains that for her people life is meaningless.
As I said, Israelis (those that “showed such kindness” to her) are nuts.
In other news, man accepts at face value some Facebook glurge despite being a Doper.
But didn’t you notice how the man kept at her after she said let’s not talk about this. Time after time she wanted ti drop the subject, but NO. Like all of us Jews he just couldn’t let it alone. Makes one feel shame to be Jewish.
It’s a video. Have you watched it?
In all fairness, they do control the media.
Bawahahaha… Off to get popcorn …
I know a lot of people with brains like that woman.
I scare myself sometimes…
They saved the life of a totally innocent human being who has never done them any harm. I don’t see what’s nuts about that.
Also, his mother’s opinions are whack, presumably due to having grown up in a horrific and abusive environment. So what? How is she the main recipient of the kindness? He’s a person in his own right.
I’d like to think that her response to kindness is atypical.
I see where you’re coming from and understand your point, but with all due respect, her opinions aren’t “whack”.
They’re just the opposite. They’re extremely logical given the “facts” that she’s aware of.
She’s been told her entire life, and everyone she’s known her entire life has believed that when she dies, her body lies in the ground till Judgement Day, at which point she’ll be interrogated by some rather stern-looking angels who will decide whether or not she’ll be able to enter paradise or not and that this will be true of all Muslims, with one and only one exception.
Shahids(martyrs) are treated differently. Those who die fighting in defense of Islam are immediately taken straight to heaven where they will spend eternity getting pampered.
She and her children have an exceptionally shitty life, but if her son dies as a Shahid he goes to paradise and receives all the good things that God can give for eternity according to the facts that she’s aware of.
Her decision is extremely logical, and extremely understandable.
Now, will her faith be strong enough to cause her to act on this and push her son to one day put on a vest with explosives and ball bearings coated in shit or rat poison, get on a bus full of Jews, and then stand up in the Middle of it and announce loudly “Allahu Akbar” as he turns them into kosher hamburger?
I doubt it. Few people’s faith is nearly that strong. Yeah, I’m sure everyone has sent the videos of parents of suicide bombers celebrating the deaths of their children, but I guarantee you that every single one of them was greeted by some hardened men from Hamas who made it very clear that their duty was to be happy and that if they failed in this and somehow undermined the message and dishonored their son their would be extremely severe consequences.
Mothers don’t want their children to die and I think this would override her faith, but please, lets not insult her by claiming her beliefs are “whack”.
They’re no more “whack” than the Salvation Army volunteers who dedicate their life to helping people and “following the example set by Jesus”.
I see your point too, and I don’t want to blame the woman for her opinions, which I’m sure she picked up from a combination of it being the opinions of those around her, combined with living in a dangerous poverty-stricken environment where options are few, and powerlessness is high. Nevertheless.
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Her beliefs are, in my opinion and I hope yours also, factually incorrect. Murder is not actually an act which will gain you the approval of God and instant access to heaven.
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Suicide-bombing does not actually defend Islam, which is flourishing all over the world, and only leads to a continuation of the cycle of violence. It’s only destructive, and doesn’t achieve its aim, only hardens opposition among its targets.
Sure, I understand why she has those opinions, but the opinions themselves are bad, self-destructive and self-defeating. It would only be a good thing if people who held these opinions abandoned them overnight.
The way to further tolerance is not by circulating anecdotal examples of intolerance, but by embracing tolerance within your own spirit.
For an average human being you’d be right. For a Palestinian, you’d be wrong.
This statement seems to suggest that Palestinians are other than typically human.
I’ll remind you where that kind of thing can lead. Jews, in particular, ought to be wary of dehumanizing anyone in any way.
Palestinians are EXACTLY like other human beings. The ones in Gaza are under chronic and severe stress, which shapes their views, but other humans under similar stress would behave similarly.
This is not in any way a defense of Hamas. They are the worst side of human.
Speak for yourself. If your aspiration is for your child to commit a murder-suicide, there’s something wrong with you. Such a desire shows a complete contempt for innocent life, both that of your child and his potential victims.
You’re conflating. I didn’t say one word about this woman. I was responding to Terr, talking about Palestinians.
The group is not the individual.
The individual is not the group.
By all means, excoriate and vilify this woman. No matter where it comes from, what she advocated is horrible. But it does not follow that all Palestinians are like this, even if many are, and it also does not follow that they are inherently like this; it may be as a result of the situation.
I repeat: Palestinians are exactly as human as you and me and as the Israelis. No more, no less.
After the Holocaust, people said “never again,” and I really think it’s important to keep the goalposts from moving. Call individual Palestinians and organizations out on their actions and their statements, but refrain from painting the whole group with your broad brush.
Well, I personally don’t believe in God, so I can’t say if her belief that God will choose to immediately take her son to paradise if he dies in defense of Islam(which is what it takes to become a shahid/martyr). However, I certainly think it’s immoral and don’t mean to imply otherwise.
It wasn’t actually embraced until the early 80s by elements that would become Hezbollah and of course the Basij in Iran used it. They believe it’s why Israel was eventually driven from Lebanon, the Americans pulled out of Beirut, and Iraq was kicked out of Iran.
From their POV it’s been quite successful and from the POV of Hamas, it’s gotten them publicity, power, respect and ensured their cause is always front and center on the page.
I don’t defend it, but it has accomplished many of their goals.
Each individual human is a unique construct, formed by the circumstance of their birth and their environment. When you take an entire body of people and arbitrarily imprison them all and subject them all to abuse, they will be formed, in part, by a common environment, and most of them will react to that environment differently from people who did not have it imposed on them.
Consider a wartime scenario. You have soldiers who in a safe place enjoying their R&R or only tangentially engaged in the hostilities, and you have those who have been taken prisoners of war and are being tortured in a detention camp under hard labor. Would you say one group is EXACTLY like the others, in terms of how they are responding to their circumstances and the psychological atttiudes that they are forming, and that both groups can be expected to respond the same to a given stimulus?
Perhaps I’m not being clear. My objection was to the implication that the Palestinians were different from and lesser than average humans. I strongly object to characterizing an entire ethnic or national group as lesser beings.
I think any humans would respond badly to a longterm stressful situation. Therein lies the sameness. The ways in which the response is manifested won’t be the same: they’ll be determined by culture and environment and other factors.
I think you must be reading my posts as supportive of suicide bombers or something, so let me be clear: I am a pacifist. I do not approve of bombing anybody. I think bombs are fundamentally unfair, and destruction ultimately unhelpful. Killing strangers is, if anything, worse than killing known individuals. I cannot support Hamas full stop, and I cannot support the state of Israel’s current policies.
I just don’t want to see either side characterized as anything less than fully human. If you want to rebut that, go ahead, but please don’t react badly to something I haven’t said. (Edit: I can see, on re-reading, that it’s the word “exactly” that caused the misreading. I meant in inherent quality, not in the details. Since the latter reading is obviously nonsensical, it didn’t occur to me that someone would think I was saying that.)
If this was literally true there would be no Palestinians left alive anymore, obviously, or at least far fewer of them, since most of them would all have “martyred” themselves.
Since in fact very few do so, you are obviously incorrect. There’s no other logical conclusion.
It may be doctrinally or theologically incorrect, but there are no facts against which it is correct or not. I think it’s stupid, but that’s a different matter.