I believe this is the handywork of Al Aqsa.
Coldie, that’s worthy of being made into a Mastercard™ ad.
Nah, Eferem, even if you believe that the Israelis are evil Zionist oppressers, you need to be objective and admit that the PA is pretty damn corrupt and abusive to its people. Al Aqsa isn’t taking the bribes, arresting dissidents, and skimming the taxes. If we are asking December to admit the flaws of his side, you need to do the same. Admitting the flaws of the PA in no way affects the justice of the Palestinian cause.
Efrem: gobear beat me to it, but al-Aqsa has arguably close ties to senior elements of the PA. It probably ( my own supposition ) functions as the PA’s street-cred political counter to Hamas and Islamic Jihad ( at least the first of which has made serious inroads into the political base of the PA/PLO by playing the “more-militant-than-thou” card ). There is no reason to defend the PA much ( as opposed to the Palestinian people ) - It is a brutal and repressive regime which is certainly a big part of the problem.
- Tamerlane
By the way, I assume it goes without saying that I am not in any way endorsing december’s simplistic and single-minded views.
I know most regulars won’t make that mistake, but just in case there are any confused lurkers/newbies ;).
- Tamerlane
december,
Twenty-five members replying so far… we have seen one (1) agree with OP. Three (3) took no direct position as regards the OP. Twenty-one (21) flamed you, rebuked you, rectified your nonsense, and/or just distanced themselves to your person.
That means that you are getting agreement from single digit percentages in this thread. That’s pretty dramatic considering that when someone gets unjustly flamed the supporters of his/her cause usually chime in with response… that has previously happened even with you. The past weeks have revealed you to be so far out on the loony fringe that all the support you can pander is milroyj?¿?
Not even hard core conservatives seem ready to come out and support you anymore.
It is time to see the writing on the wall december. You’re making an absolute spectacle of yourself and by extension the cause you support. You’re not changing anyone’s mind, you’re not even reinforcing already existing opinion. You’re just making it really hard to be pro-Israel and reinforcing the arguments of any potential anti-Israel member that steps in.
Sparc
PS Efrem: Amen to what gobear and Tamerlane said. DS
It seems that even december himself isn’t prepared to come in here and defend those viewpoints.
Well, I just feel so badly for that poor boy, his now murdered mother, and the family he will have to raise in his mother’s absence. Even though it’s the fault of the Al Aqsa brutes who perpetrated this crime and did at least have the decency to feel some horror that they would be depriving children of their mother, this child will have to live with the fact that he was tortured into turning his mother in–whether or not she or he are actually guilty of the crimes they were accused of. He’s going to have to face his siblings who will know and his immediate community who will know. Isn’t there some Islamic saying that Paradise lay at the feet of the mother? I’m sure I’ve completely messed up the sentiment and wording of that phrase, but I think it goes something like that. Still, how he will get through this and not be mentally scarred I don’t know.
I also feel terribly that folks like december are just appropriating this family’s misfortune for their own illogical agendas. [sigh]
Gobear, Tamerlane, Efrem - let’s not hijack this thread into a rational, well-argued debate. (After all, this is the Pit).
Let it lie for history as what it is: a pure and shining OP-aranoia, feted with garlands of ridicule, rebuke and revulsion.
[hijack]
Gobear, Tamerlane, and Sparc. Please let it be known that in my previous post I was not defending the PA or absolving it of past or current injustices. I was merely pointing out that in this case of execution and torture, Al Aqsa has carried it out. The PA might be involved in some way, but to my understanding Al Aqsa has taken responsibility. Further more, I am aware of the PA’s regime, and have expressed no desire to whitewash any of their actions. Claiming that I need to “admit” to their flaws is a little presumptuous.
You may now carry on to the regularly scheduled december baiting [/hijack]
He’s off looking for another stick with which to poke the bear.
BTW Gobear I do not believe that “Israelis are evil Zionist oppressors” However, I do hold to the fact that the Israeli government is very ethically repugnant and highly oppressive.
And I hope when you said “If we are asking December to admit the flaws of his side, you need to do the same.” you are not implying that I am a “December” for the Palestinian side. 
I thought he was warned about this?
december, you sick fuck, I’m only going to say this once, so get this through your thick bony little skull:
Just because some of us abhor the extremist and inhuman tactics of Sharon and his ilk, does NOT mean that we support Palestine unconditionally? GOT THAT?
I have had it with your baiting, and I’m tired of you playing this card. You are no better than Joseph fucking McCarthy when it comes to this subject.
Have you no sense of decency?
You are insulting, you are trolling, and you are simply crying wolf yet again.
What will it take to get you to stop this? If you’re looking for some of us to admit we hate Israel unreasonably, and that we support Palestinian extremists attempts to wipe it off the map, you’re pissing up the wrong fucking tree.
I believe that you, personally, are NOT a genuine asshole, as you ARE able to be civil on occassion. That being said, for some reason, you have a real hardon for this topic, and you’re going to end up blowing your wad of credibility real soon.
So december posts an unquestionably true story of a horrible atrocity committed by the PA.
90% of the posts in response consist of abuse against, not the perpetrators, but the one who mentions it.
Why is it so vital that this be hushed up? Evidence of alleged Israeli atrocities is accepted at face value and trumpeted. Evidence of the same against the Palestinians is not.
Are all of you really saying that things like this should have no place in the discussions around the moral superiority of one side or the other?
Or is posting “F**k you” at selected SDMB members a necessary part of your day?
Omitting my usual farewell,
Shodan
I thought he was warned about this?
december, you sick fuck, I’m only going to say this once, so get this through your thick bony little skull:
Just because some of us abhor the extremist and inhuman tactics of Sharon and his ilk, does NOT mean that we support Palestine unconditionally? GOT THAT?
I have had it with your baiting, and I’m tired of you playing this card. You are no better than Joseph fucking McCarthy when it comes to this subject.
Have you no sense of decency?
You are insulting, you are trolling, and you are simply crying wolf yet again.
What will it take to get you to stop this? If you’re looking for some of us to admit we hate Israel unreasonably, and that we support Palestinian extremists attempts to wipe it off the map, you’re pissing up the wrong fucking tree.
I believe that you, personally, are NOT a genuine asshole, as you ARE able to be civil on occassion. That being said, for some reason, you have a real hardon for this topic, and you’re going to end up blowing your wad of credibility real soon.
[minor hijack]
Sparc, honey, take a deep breath and back away from the thread, slowly, slooowwwwllyy…
That’s better. Get some distance, dude–every time you talk to December I can see flames coming out your ears all the way over here.
And it’s not good for the monitor, I can tell you that. 
i do seem to have the impression that you keep saying “i’m not going to waste my time on him anymore” and then there you are again, with the three-alarm-fire impression
[end of minor hijack]
What I think is perfectly fascinating, now that it’s 9 a.m. the following morning, is that the story has hit the mainstream media, and that most news outlets, like the Boston Globe and the Fresno Bee and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution are just going with the Mohammed Daraghmeh-authored AP story, but the “Boy tortured into implicating his mother falsely!” headlines have been dropped from the Washington Post’s coverage. I was fast-forwarding through it, looking for the “torture scene”, and there it was, wayyy, wayyy down there, almost at the end.
Washington Post:
Palestinian Group Executes Woman
Alleged Collaborator Is Killed for Helping Israelis Track Militant.
So–I’m sorry but I lose track of all the conspiracy theories–which way is the anti-Israel-liberal-media bias running, this time? Or is it the pro-Israel-liberal-media bias? Sorry, I have trouble keeping them straight.
And upon Preview: Ditto what I said to Sparc, to Guin. Chill, people. It’s only thunder…
Shodan w/a/d/r , the problem isn’t “is this story true” nor is the issue “Is this story an example of horrible behavior by certain Palestinian factions”.
However, the OP holds this story out as an example of Palestinian wrongdoing, and the strawman to end all strawmen of “see, they’re doing awful things, why aren’t you all up in arms about this?”
The OP has (I’m sure you realize) an excellent history of posting such things along with an absolutely mindboggling ability to only see one side of the issue.
As the posters following have continued to point out, suggesting that Sharon & the Israelis aren’t perfect does not indicate a belief that certain factions w/in the Palestinian population have done no wrong.
As I pointed out in the thread about the A-Q poisoning a dog. Did I need a further example to prove the maxim “Bad guys do bad things”? nope.
Does it prove anything else?
nope.
No, in no way, and I apologize for giving you that impression. Despite our political disagreements, I think we can both firmly agree that December occupies his own special dimension where he is The Noble Warrior for Truth fighting the Forces of Evil!!![sup]TM[/sup]. It’s a happy place where opinions become facts simply by wishing, and he need never admit incovenient data that might cause him to think his side is ever less than pure and just.
I’d alos like to make the point that a group need not be lovable, or even tolerable, in order to have justice done. I think the Palestinians, by and large, are IMO intransigent and unlikable, but they still deserve fair treatment. Contrary to popular myth, oppression does not make people saintly; if anything, it does the opposite. Palestinians should have their property and lives respected not because they’re nice or because we like their leaders, but because they are people, and all people should be treated justly.
Well, december, unlike some other posters I don’t feel as though you came to my house and trashed it. Or, that is the impression I get from the reactions. I think, again, you represent a fairly vocal group of folks who are a large minority in the United States. Our foreign policy is very pro-Israel, but when you come in here and express these mainstream views people find it necessary to instantly resort to personal assaults.
OTOH, to mention torture without mentioning the Israeli position is a little unfair. So I thought I would.
This is an exception a good lawyer can drive a truck through.
But, I agree, the story you posted is tragic, horrible, and shows the depths that some folks will go to.
Before the grammar police tear me a new one, “some people” does not mean “all Palestinians.”
I think both sides need to take some MDMA, listen to some music, and go to the chill out rooom. Not that I know anything about any of that.