Does anyone else hear that dog yapping? Better put it in it’s cage; it’s getting annoying.
What’s funny is that for all our babbling about how the bandwagon fallacy makes you right and how you can read my mind and how I owe you an apology for being right and having the temerity to say so, you’re still too pathetic to actually read the Pew cite which proves that not only am I right, but that you and your cohorts have been snarling from a position of pure ignorance.
Not that I expected intellectual honesty from you.
I suppose alleging that I’m ‘yapping’ is as close as you’ll get to admitting that you’re not just wrong, but stupid. Ah well.
Not quite what I was saying, although I wouldn’t expect you to attempt a charitable reading of what I was saying. But if everyone in a thread was saying, “S&I, you screwed up there, and should probably backtrack,” I would ask myself, “Gee, maybe I should give this some thought.” I wouldn’t always backtrack, but I would at least concede the fact that everyone else had identified an error in my reasoning provides some reason to at least think about whether I am right or not. It’s not about the majority voting on the truth; it’s about epistemic humility (about which you know nothing, since of course ).
And at this point I am just insulting you not because I think I am wrong, but because debating you is so pointless. Really, I’m done now. I’ve got work to do. I have to go think up some lies, and you know, figure out more creative ways to be willfully ignorant, since you caught on to me so easily this time. :rolleyes:
Ahhh, shall we add mealy mouthed evasion to the list? Not that the bandwagon fallacy proves you’re right, just that it proves the person being ganged up on is wrong via an error in reasoning. :rolleyes:
Yes, I know all about “epistemic humility” (a big ol’ phrase from someone who still can’t bring himself to admit that since I was right, you and your pack of jackals have been behaving like utter assholes and you are the ones who owe me numerous apologies on numerous points, starting with bothering me about a subject you knew shit about).
Were I wrong, I’d offer a mea culpa. But I have no reason to be ‘humble’ if I’m right and a pack of fools believe that by gnawing on my ankles enough, I’ll slink away and apologize for having the dastardly temerity to be correct in the fact of their ignorance.
And of course, you don’t think I’m wrong. So you admit I’m right.
And yet you still decided, knowing that I wasn’t wrong, to allege that I was not only wrong but obnoxious in my stubborn refusal to admit I was wrong. But of course, as you now admit you don’t even believe that, you’ve just admitted you were trolling as the substance of your shitposting has been made up of accusatins that I was a bad, bad man for not caling the truth an untruth.
And you’ve been trolling me, of course, because it’s ‘pointless’ to try to debate me (if I’m right, have the facts in my possession, and y’all are various flavors of ignorant).
And all that betrays character flaws in my character.
Good gods but you really are very stupid, aintcha?
Where did I say you weren’t wrong? Nowhere. Liar.
Fuck it. I’m going to let you have the last word. You know why? Because this is truly pointless. So go ahead and call me a liar and a troll again. I won’t respond. I am finished with this thread.
Your turn.
Wow, FinnAgain, I wonder how many inarguably Leftist cites you could have found to support your original statement in the time it’s taken you to post these two dozen or so spittle-laden screeds about how everyone (except you) is willfully, militantly, dishonestly, vigorously, passionately, orgiastically, and just generally adverbially ignorant.
I bet a lot.
(P.S. Sign me up for the list while you’re at it)
Where you deliberately ignored the fact that the facts support me and you’re unable to gainsay them, just cast spittle in my direction?
Where you steadfastly ignored the Pew cite stating, exactly and clearly, that Conservative Democrats are part of the Left?
But you’re right, I had assumed that your silence was you conceeding that you were full of shit and simply couldn’t admit your error.
Guess I was wrong. You’re ignorant, full of shit, obnoxious and fucking stupid… and you don’t have the honor or intellectual honesty to admit you were wrong.
You’re a ballless, obnoxious, idiotic babbling bandwagon joiner who doesn’t care a whit that I’m 100% factually correct, but there’s safety in numbers so you might as well join in a pile on regardless of the fact that those piling on… are not just wrong, but so stupidly wrong that they don’t know that Democrats are on the Left.
That about sum it up motherfucker?
Good god, but you idiots are coming out of the woodwork tonight. Is there a Stupid Convention going on or something? Is it “ignore the facts, support ignorance, and pile on Finn” night?
Were you perhaps looking for some cartoon-themed message board instead of one dedicated to fighting ignorance?
First of all, I already provided an ironclad example of a Leftist who made that claim. Just because the Ignorati chose to argue it doesn’t mean that it’s somehow a weak position, or that I should cater to their ignorance and go track down more cites. What, I’m supposed to be led by the nose like a fool, and any time some idiot doesn’t know that the Democrats on the political Left of America, I should go track down yet another cite? How long shoudl I let that type of baiting keep up? Another valid cite? Two other valid cites? Five? Ten?
At the point where someone is so ignorant that they don’t realize Democrats aren’t in the center, and aren’t on the Right?
Fuck that noise, it’s not worth my time to spoonfeed them information. I provided a valid cite already, I’m not obligated to find more because idiots don’t know Left from Right.
I know the whole “if it’s not on the internet it never happened” meme is very popular, but I’ve pointed out exactly why it makes no sense for me to even attempt to track down other such cites, especially since many of the people who’ve made such claims don’t have their own websites or syndicated columns.
Could’ve sworn I said something like that. Maybe just once, in rather subtle terms so it was hard to understand and you’re not just being an asshole, eh?
And yet… I was right, I’ve proven that, and nobody (not one person) has yet retracted their idiocy that the Democrats, a subset of whom are Conservative Democrats, are not on the Left.
And your response to me (correctly) pointing out that people were ignorant is to… ignore the subject, and babble about how I was wrong to call ignorant people ignorant.
How, pray tell, should I point out that ignorant people are ignorant and giving me a hard time because they refuse to educate themselves? Candygram? Flowers?
Fuck that, this is the Pit. If some dumbfuck can’t even admit that the Democrats are on the Left, I’m not obligated to send them an engraved invitation to explain to them the nuances of “The Democrats are on the Left.”
Nor did I ever say that “everybody” is a fucking moron, I reserved that claim only those mega-geniuses who aren’t aware that the Democrats are on the Left, and yet still want to fight with me about whether or not a registered Democrat would ‘count’ as a source from the Left.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with all of you fuckers? Did stupid food go on sale or something?
Cite? I musta missed it.
You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.
Go fuck yourself.
If anyone is interested, FinnAgain regularly practices citing links that support his opponent’s case, and then resorting to terms of abuse when someone has the temerity to point out this inconvenient fact. Earlier this month, as I indicate here, he cited an article that purported to show how prison guards may kill prisoners with impunity, but unfortunately for him demonstrated clearly the opposite thesis. When I pointed out how this error disinclined me to read his links further, or to trust him to post relevant links at all, instead of an abject apology for misleading his readers into thinking he had actually supported his case rather than severely damaging it, he offered me abuse for not reading the rest of his link, which I to this day still have not done.
Is it only **quixotic78 **who can “go fuck himself,” as you so eloquently rebut his request for a cite, or is that that directed at everyone who views you as an out-of-control, inarticulate buffoon? Because that’s an awful lot of people here, and growing every time you post. Post a little more, please, and add to our numbers.
Pseudoprof, you are a liar and a brainstem level moron.
Actually, you stupid lying troll, we went through this dance as well and I clarified, serveral times, that guards could kill prisoners only "under certain circumstances."
What kind of stupid are you, exactly, when you lie and I can simply cite my own post showing you’re a liar?
Are you brain damaged or simply on drugs?
Do you ever stop trolling?
Ever?
Again, you stupid piece of shit, do you think that the other thread vanished? Not only did I not ask to you read other links further, I quoted the entirety of the relevant laws and legal precedents in various states that showed that under certain circumstances guards could kill prisoners.
Not as you’re now lying and trolling that they could kill prisoners “with impunity”.
Further, you lying piece of dog shit, although now you claim to have not read the other links, then you lied through your teeth, claiming to have read them and in the process, fabricated an imaginary cite and made up the dates of the others. And, troll, I didn’t take you to task for not reading the rest of that link, I pointed out that you ignored each and every single other quote that I’d provided.
No further reading required, lying troll.
You stupid, stupid fuck. What the hell is wrong with you?
The cite I already gave? That we’ve been arguing about for a day or so? That I proved was a left wing cite by Pew’s own definition?
Yeah, with such an intellectually honest request, I wonder why I told that fucking asshole to go fuck himself.
How unreasonable of me.
Quick question pseudoprof, have you learned what an idiom is yet?
Seriously though, keep the trolling up. Maybe your next OP can be titled something like “Degenerate motherfuckers who voted for McCain, I hate you all.” and then you can feign surprise at why Republican voters would be upset with you. Eh? Eh?
Come on, troll harder you piece of shit.
And while I’m at it, hell yeah, you go and form a Coalition of the Dense around your little troll nucleus. You can have unrepentant liars and trolls, like yourself, and idiots who don’t know that the Democrats are on the left. Add in a few other mouthbreathers and I’ll really be sad.
There may be tears.
Ah, it rather reads like you’re shifting the goalposts, not your adversaries. This guy’s background, as presented in the Wiki article seems pretty much right wing, not left at all. Going to the cites where his writings are up, my impression is he’s a right of center isolationist by any rational analysis.
He touts Robert E Lee, the Confederate General as a role model, he attacks the “Nanny State” (The Nanny State - LewRockwell) and generally rants about “Do Gooders.”
Whatever he is, he’s not a Leftist.
No. I am not.
He is a registered Democrat
Conservative democrats are, by definition, on the Left
Yet again, Conservative Democrats are leftists.
Being for Lee has nothing to do with left/right dichotomies, and has to do with his support for Lee’s devotion to duty and tactical brilliance as well as his status as a devout Christian.
Being specifically against a Nanny Government is totally in line with the political philosophy of many Conservative Democrats in the nation.
Supporting specifically Christian morality is much, much is the policy of much, much more than half of the Conservative Democrats.
Again, from Pew:
And note that Pew clearly and correctly places them on the Left.
I’ve shifted no goalposts, at all.
And I’m kind of disheartened that in a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, there evidently are vanishingly few people who know that Conservative Democrats are on the Left. I didn’t think this was difficult. Never would I have believed that, on the Dope of all places, someone would have to fight to convince people that Democrats were on the Left.
I’m not sure if this is a symptom of partisan politics gone wild, or if people simply habitually think in dichotomies, but I’ve known that the Left wing of American politics had its own spectrum from left to right, well, since I was 12 or 13.
I’m honestly shocked that this is news to some people.
Did you say that on purpose?
I really don’t want to get in the middle of this entertaining hijack of a now mostly forgotten OP, but let me see if I understand.
I myself was a long haired, civil rights supporting, Viet Nam war protesting, flower carrying, “sex, drugs and rock and roll” genuine hippy in the '60s. I confess that my internal bent remains, well, rather liberal.
I now live in a heavily Republican county where virtually all local races are decided in the primary elections. There just aren’t enough Democrats to even bother to run against the winner of the Republican primary in which Democrats have zero voice. (We can only vote within our declared party affiliation in the primaries.)
So if I, without changing one whit of my internal feelings, beliefs, and identifications, registered as a Republican in order to have a local voice, I would somehow become a conservative? Because of my expressed party affiliation?
Conservative is not synonymous with right wing.
Liberal is not synonymous with left wing.
Conservative is not synonymous with Republican.
Liberal is not synonymous with Democrat.
The Democrats are the party on the Left in America.
The Republicans are the party on the Right in America.
Both the Republicans and the Democrats have left and right and centers of their own, while still being on the Right and the Left as groups.
If you joined the Republican party and actively supported them, then you’d be on the left side of the right wing. That is, a Liberal Republican.
But from what you’re saying, you wouldn’t actually support the Republicans but you’d be a Democrat trying to subvert the Republican elections. Yes?
“Subvert”? Hardly. “Participate in”, yes.
Why should I be unable to cast a meaningful ballot for local races merely because I identify as a member of the minority party? Regardless of whatever I do, a Republican is going to sit in that County Commission seat. At least I can have some voice in choosing that Republican.
But my point was simply to demonstrate by personal anecdote that one may declare a party affiliation for other than philosophical grounds, without actually changing one’s beliefs.
Abortion Clinic Bombers Are Not Terrorists!!
Terrorists try to bring about political change by inducing fear. Abortion Clinic bombers don’t do that. They try to stop abortions by destroying the means of carrying them out. The idea isn’t “Lets kill the doctors so others will be afraid.” or “Let’s blow up the building so that women will be afraid to come inside.” The idea is “Lets blow up the clinic and/or kill the doctor so no abortions can be done there.” They’re criminals, not terrorists. Palin was good to qualify her answer. If she says they’re terrorists, someone like me will pick on you for vapidly using a label. If she says they’re not, people like most of this thread will say she’s a sympathizer. That’s why she made sure to say “They’re wrong, but I don’t know if you want that word there.”
Makes sense to me.
Where do you get that he votes exclusively Democratic? He’s registered with that party, but that’s not proof that he votes with that party. From his own comments, he sounds like a far-right crank who’s registered as a Democrat purely as a rhetorical jab at Republicans for not being sufficiently far-right. I don’t really see much evidence that he supports any actual leftist policies, although I admit, I only skimmed the last page or so of this thread, so I might have missed something.
So you assert, apparently to (rather amusingly) cover up your error.
Frankly I don’t buy it. The fellow’s views are clearly hard right, whatever his party affiliation claimed is - anti-nanny state, etc. is not Left and doesn’t fit the very typology you quote re conservative democrats - I mean do you even bloody think before posting?
Well, I see where the others got their opinion of you, you’re bloody unhinged.