Probably.
I just want to add that her doctor’s alleged statement, as quoted, is not the same as a statement that Palin made that choice with her own approval or advice. It sounds like just a very cautious way to avoid offending Palin or making her look bad. It’s also true that a lot of physicans to famous people will bend ethical standards or common sense to avoid losing that patient. Look at Michael Jackson.
Can’t, he’s dead and buried.
I think Palin’s doctor wants to stay out of it and isn’t going to speak badly of her (very high profile and powerful) patient in public. Also, it turned out OK, so there’s no reason for the doctor to second guess Palin or speak ill of her decision. Speaking personally, it’s not the decision I would make about my baby. I would bet you probably wouldn’t advise you wife or daughter to make that decision. So she made a questionable choice but it worked out OK. Why is this a point of contention anyway?
Unlike certain horses.
I’m confused about what’s at issue regarding Palin’s birth flight. Bricker, are you saying that Palin’s actions are not worth even a raised eyebrow, since we have her word and the general reaffirmation of her doctor that the flight was no risk? That people are needlessly harping on her (whether from partisan rancor, sexism, or generalized anti-celebrity nastiness) for a choice that was private and between her and her doctor? Or that crossing a street is risky, such that her decision–made in consultation with her doctor–shouldn’t raise any questions about her judgment?
Or are you saying that even Trig Story 2, the supposed refutation of Trig Story 1 (which may or may not have involved a Buzz Lightyear costume), was itself turned into a malicious and baseless attack on her character?
Disclosure: I initially thought that if she was covering for her daughter, we should leave well enough alone. In the early days, the thought that she flew back to deliver struck me as intensely suspicious (and hence supportive of the Trig-was-her-daughter’s rumor), not because I had any reason to doubt her veracity at the time, but because of general knowledge of pregnancy advice. Later-in-life pregnancies are generally higher risk; travel is mildly to strongly discouraged during the last bits; leaking fluids send most people into medical care, not an airline.
Since Mrs. Dvl has become With Child (woo hoo!), these thoughts have only become more pronounced. Not the *it’s suspicious *bit, but the belief that Palin exhibited extraordinarily poor judgment. I could understand if she was hiking in the middle of the Sonora Desert wanting to get to a hospital, but to shun all closer medical facilities in the continental United States shows an ugly lack of judgment and prejudice (similar to the the type that gets railed against when someone makes a redneck comment).
While there is no strong medical prohibition against travel, and she apparently made it home OK, the risk–and accompanying lack of judgment–are, to many posters, abhorrent. Is there any medical evidence of anyone, let alone Palin, that is not susceptible of going into labor within the time-frame of the flight? Is there medical evidence that some people’s biology is more likely to negate the risks of flight than others?
I do not care about her flight with her kid coming. It was her decision and I am sure her doctor informed her if there was a problem. If she chose not to follow his advice, it was still her choice. If he did not caution her, then there is no story at all. Who cares. There are lots of real reasons to dislike her ambition and politics.
Bricker, bro, Sarah Palin is an irresponsible, unethical, idiot. (Citations: nearly everything she has said and done, er, ever.) While I can (barely) understand why she holds your nether head in thrall, I also know you are not an idiot and (generally) don’t waste your political capital on idiots. This is a prime case to let the libs “win,” because there is no chance you will.
With all the undisputed ammunition that we already have against Palin, what the fuck does it matter if she flew home to squeeze out her crotchfruit?
At the time it was all we had. Who knew what riches of stupidity lay before us?
In fairness, Bricker himself has called her an idiot in this very thread, just not about this paticular issue.
And I’m supposed to accurately track the statements of everybody in a 5-page thread? Especially those of Bricker, when he should feel a slight sense of satisfaction that I chose to read some of him, much less quote a few characters of what he said? If he didn’t say it recently, he felt it back in Late July, and said similar things in the years before that. 
And dude, why are you harshing my buzz? This is Bricker, fercryinoutloud! 
You’ll know when I expect something to be taken as evidence, counselor, when you see the key words “Here’s the evidence…” preceding it. Again, what you’re doing is mischaracterizing what I’ve shown you, for reasons we both know that I put it forth, and then attacking it on ludicrous grounds. I didn’t say this conversation ever took place, I said I think it could have taken place, and it makes sense to me that that’s what happened.
You still have yet to produce a cite that comes directly from the physician, not from Palin, characterizing the physician’s “permission.” Palin claims that she had permission to fly–since most obstreticians would have tried to talk a patient OUT of flying under those conditions, and since Palin has great problems with the concept of truthiness, we both understand that the physician didn’t tell her “You go, girl! Why don’t fly the plane yourself, in fact? And shoot a couple of wolves while you’re up there?” Any “permission” the OB/GYN gave her to fly was reluctant, provisional permission that stems from the fact that she was determined to get on the plane. If something had gone wrong, and she lost her baby because of the flight and inadequate medical equipment and personnel aboard, and Palin had sued the physician for advising her incorrectly to get on that plane, I don’t think I’d have to explain to you that the physican probably wouldn’t fess up under oath to having given her whole-hearted blessing --but that’s is what your mischaracterizing it as “giving her permission” to fly implies. If Palin were to have sued her under these circumstances, you’d see her OB/GYN reversing 180 degrees on what her “permission” to fly consisted of, and if you were the OB/GYN’s atorney, you’d be all over that reversal from your current contention.
Here’s how this discussion started:
(his question was along the lines of: *I think many of us questioned whether anyone would make a decision to fly from Texas to Alaska while leaking amniotic fluid, and why.
Does that sound like a reasonable thing to do?*)
What follow was my attempt to show that Palin’s doctor had said, specifically, that in her view in wasn’t unreasonable.
What I find amazing is that, rather than concede the point that Palin’s doctor said it wasn’t unreasonable, and that at the very least Palin’s decision conceivably had some basis in reason, there’s a chorus of, “Well Palin is a liar, so I don’t believe her.” (And a harmonizing voice saying, “Well, her doctor is probably a liar, too!”)
If the issue is “Palin: doofus or idiot?” I am certainly willing to let the libs win. But on this particular issue, the fact of the matter is that Palin can point to her own physician’s words as proof that her decision was not unreasonable. This is a case where you should acknowledge that Palin wins. It doesn’t elevate her intellectual stature one bit elsewhere, but in this matter, she can show a reasonable basis for her actions.
It’s possible, certainly. The problem is that it’s speculation, with no actual evidence other than speculative reconstruction. Again I ask: if your theory is correct, what motivated Dr. Baldwin-Johnson to make her public statement at all? She could have simply said the confidentiality prevents her from discussing her patient, period. Why stick her neck out like this to support something she didn’t say or mean?
I’m not sure whether this statement is intended to be as revealing as I think it is…
But in my view, it’s all too true. Now that Palin is revealed to be in fact woefully unprepared for life on the political national stage, there is plenty of ammunition that highlights her numerous failings.
At the time, however, there wasn’t any such ammunition. But that didn’t stop the folks on the looney left from attacking her with all the ferocity and ethics of rabid swiftboaters. The attack was going to happen, in other words, regardless of whether it was justified. Fortunately, it seems some are saying now, it turned out she really was worthy of scorn, so, hey, no harm done if our first salvos were based on lies. Turns out she deserved it after all.
You actually haven’t shown that Palin’s doctor gave her permission to fly before the fact, only that she gave a tepid, semi-endorsement of the decision after Palin started to get criticized for it. The fact remains that every disinterested Ob/Gyn who doesn’t have Palin as a patient says it was a dangerous and irresponsible thing to do. What wisdom does Palin’s doctor have that no other physician in the world possesses?
Cite? I remember the outrage from the right preceding and far surpassing the questions from the left out of the gate. But the first person on MSM I remember savaging her was Peggy Noonan, when she thought she was off camera.
There wasn’t? It’s not like Palin got the “look how stupid she is” right out of the gate, but once she uttered two or three “you betchas”, threw around a couple-half-dozen winks and promised Katie that she’d “try to find some and bring 'em back to ya,” then we pretty much knew the color of that horse. But we were told, “Oh no. She’s real intelligent. She’s just what this country needs. She’s all mavericky. She is absolutely ready … nay, deserved … of the presidency.”
And now … wow, go figure, she’s being shit on even by members of her own party as a moron.
But I guess ‘The Left’ just got lucky in their assessment.
Meh. The first attacks were of the inexperienced-mayor-of-bumfuck sort, which were perfectly fair. Then there was the Couric interview stuff, which was of course also fair. Then the “I can see Russia” stuff. Then “gotcha media”. The attacks definitely followed the evidence, at least at first.
It wasn’t until she started making those speeches about palling around with terrorists that she started taking real flak- and I think you’d agree that at that point she deserved it.
Well, for one thing, she was the only doctor that had actually laid hands on Palin’s body and examined her. She was, in other words, her patient.
It’s amazing that you would claim doctors who DIDN’T have Palin as a patient are in a better position to give Palin medical advice than the one doctor that did.