Pat Buchanan: "Breivik may be right"

[magellan01]

@foolsguinea

If Pat Buchanan is now defending a white man who shot dead dozens of other white men as somehow defending whiteness under siege, then he’s done. He has embraced violence against the inoffensive, thus putting himself outside the civilized, & he’s not even a good racist.

Do you really think he sounds like he is defending the man? (bolding mine)

@Pat Buchanan

Though Breivik is being called insane, that is the wrong word.

Breivik is evil – a cold-blooded, calculating killer – though a deluded man of some intelligence, who in his 1,500-page manifesto reveals a knowledge of the history, culture and politics of Europe.

[silenus]

@BrainGlutton

We’re gonna have to get a bigger pig . . .

There is no bigger pig than Buchanan.

[John_Mace]

This is nothing that PB hasn’t been saying for years.

[elucidator]

True. PB is the archetype of a kind of conservative who prides himself on being hard-headed and realistic, willing to face the ugly truths without flinching, something sadly lacking amongst idealistic and daffy lefties. Real problem with that thinking is it tends to believe that if something is ugly, it must be true, if anyone is happy, its only because they are ill-informed, and the PB of the world rush to correct.

[TriPolar]

Somebody once said Pat Buchanan is only rational 15% of the time. It might have been Hunter Thompson, so 15% is probably an over-estimation.

[BrainGlutton]

@magellan01

Do you really think he sounds like he is defending the man? (bolding mine)

Yes. Bolding mine:

As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.

No, Pat, he cannot be, and you ain’t helpin’ none here.

[Chen019]

Buchanan is partially right about this - to the extent that importing an underclass is a bad idea, especially where they don’t identify with the culture. That is obvious from the terrible problems in Paris.

Europe faces today an authentic and historic crisis.

With her native-born populations aging, shrinking and dying, Europe’s nations have not discovered how to maintain their prosperity without immigrants. Yet the immigrants who have come – from the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia – have been slow to learn the language and have failed to attain the educational and occupational levels of Europeans. And the welfare states of Europe are breaking under the burden.

That is seen here.

What the trends suggests is happening that for men, the immigrant culture that has emerged in Europe is worse even than the culture they brought with them from Turkey, Algeria etc. Women instead are less oppressed, and work more than their mothers.
Appendix

Comparing Second generation male immigrant relative employment rates with the first generation immigrants:

UK -10%
France -13%
Germany -19%

Comparing Second generation female immigrant relative employment rates with the first generation immigrants:

UK +15%
France +8%
Germany +2%

Employment rates (the figure in the parenthesis compared immigrants to the native born):

U.K

Native Men: 79.0%
First generation non-European immigrant Men: 67.8% (-14%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Men: 60.0% (-24%)

Native women: 66.5%
First generation non-European immigrant Women: 43.3% (-35%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Women: 53.5% (-20%)

France

Native Men: 66.3%
First generation non-European immigrant Men: 61.6% (-7%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Men: 53.0% (-20%)

Native Women: 58.9%
First generation non-European immigrant Women: 37.6% (-36%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Women: 42.4% (-28%)

Germany

Native Men: 75.3%
First generation non-European immigrant Men: 68.5% (-9%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Men: 53.9% (-28%)

Native women: 65.8%
First generation non-European immigrant Women: 42.5% (-35%)
Second generation non-European immigrant Women: 43.8% (-33%)

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/10/second-generation-immigrants-in-europe.html

The answer is to be more selective in recruiting from populations with a higher level of state dependency. Otherwise, Milton Friedman’s comment about the welfare state and open borders being incompatible will be proven correct.

[elucidator]

Which would ruin an otherwise perfect record.

[BrainGlutton]

@Chen019

Buchanan is partially right about this - to the extent that importing an underclass is a bad idea, especially where they don’t identify with the culture.

We’ve done it before. Looking back now, it was always a good idea.

[Chen019]

@BrainGlutton

We’ve done it before. Looking back now, it was always a good idea.

You’re talking about the US with people mainly from Europe when there was no real welfare system.

[BrainGlutton]

@Chen019

You’re talking about the US with people mainly from Europe when there was no real welfare system.

That should make adjustment/assimilation easier, not harder.

[Dissonance]

@magellan01

Do you really think he sounds like he is defending the man?

Just like he doesn’t defend Hitler in his deranged version of history where the British started WW2. The man is an utter fucktard.

[brazil84]

@Anders Breivik

So basically, the [Nazi] ideology suggests that 950 Jews are controlling the Norwegian government, a government which is known to be the most anti-Zionist of all European countries…!? Let’s not forget, 1000 Jews are controlling Ireland etc. These NS claims are absolutely ridiculous and counter-productive. Being a Norwegian myself, I know that these claims are completely false.

I think this may be right.

[Kolga]

@brazil84

I think this may be right.

Well done. You trolled through the 1500-page rantings of a deranged individual and found a paragraph that contained the truth, all in the defense of a man who’s a proven liar and racist.

[outlierrn]

The sad reality is that Buchanan helps mainstream anti-Muslim intolerance. A regular MSNBC contributor and frequent guest on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Buchanan once invoked the Nazis’ attempt to march in Skokie, Illinois as an argument against the Islamic Center proposal in New York

I hate Illinois Nazis

Pat, Glenn, in the pig, NOW!

[brazil84]

@Kolga

Well done.

Thank you.

all in the defense of a man who’s a proven liar and racist.

Don’t forget that he’s a fan of girls’ beach volleyball.

[BrainGlutton]

@brazil84

Don’t forget that he’s a fan of girls’ beach volleyball.

And Hitler ate sugar. Want some?

[magellan01]

@BrainGlutton

Yes. Bolding mine:

Can you point to the specific passages where he is defending him?

[QUOTE=BrainGlutton;14067979No, Pat, he cannot be, and you ain’t helpin’ none here.[/QUOTE]

Oh, BrainGlutton is going to take time off from posting OPs like Linda Richmond and divine the future. Oh, boy! You know, I think Buchanan has a much better grasp on world events and the sweep of history than you do. And at least Buchanan has the sense to say something MAY happen in the future. You say it cannot happen. How do you conclude that the notion of the Christian West and Islam clashing spectacularly CANNOT happen? Or are you just talking out of your ass, as usual?

[BrainGlutton]

@magellan01

You know, I think Buchanan has a much better grasp on world events and the sweep of history than you do.

I’ve read some of his books. He don’t. He is wrong about everything that he seems to regard as important, including how civilizations decline and fall.

[gonzomax]

Buchannan is the brains in the tea baggers. he is their hero. What he was saying will play well in baggerland.