Ya know, I was almost at the point where I thought that maybe lissener had some kind of semi-legitimate point about Showgirls being a work of unrecognized genius. Then he went and proved himself to be a complete retard and/or insane person by opening this Pit thread, and I realized that no, some people really are that stupid.
If it makes you all feel better, this thread has convinced me you’re all a bunch of bitter petty children.
This is kind of interesting. Verhoven’s movies are kind of like pictures in the clouds. You can claim that they are heartbreaking works of staggering genius™, but you end up demonstrating your ability to pull great points out of dreck and your inability to see dreck for dreck.
And Verhoven apparently.
You are still not quite grasping the obvious here. If, by your own admission, Verhoven is controversial than why are surprised when controversy entered the thread?
I stated my opinion, that Verhoven’s use of Robert Heinlein’s work as a vehicle for his satire was dishonest. You made no attempt to sway me from my opinion. You response was a plea for me to get out of your thread. What kind of “discussion” is that?
I am not closed minded on this subject. The propaganda clips in Starship Troopers - hilarious, really. But I felt like I had been tricked into seeing something that I had not paid to see. If the movie had been a bit more honest about what it was, it would probably be in my DVD collection.
The thing about art is that, rather obviously, it is in the eye of the beholder. Just because one person sees something and declares it a work of beauty and another looks at it and declares it frog poop does not mean that either person is in error. You should not take it as a direct personal affront when someone has a different opinion than you. If your opinion is so dear to you that anyone challenging it requires the opening of a pit thread, than maybe you should realise you aren’t really willing to discuss it.
You fuckers. It’s Verhoeven, dammit.
Carry on.
Wait until you guys get to tear apart Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation.
It seems to me lissener so vehemently supports Verhoeven because he identifies with him. Verhoeven’s work looks like it’s supposed to appeal to the mainstream, but actually parodies it, and ultimately gets rejected because nobody can understand the underlying satire.
In striving to be the number one contender for the SDMB Drama Queen, lissener parades down the street like a glitter ‘n’ glitz drag queen, singing broadway tunes at the top of his voice. When the crowd tells him to shut up, he procedes to castigate society for rejecting his lifestyle when he so obviously is portraying America’s #1 Icon, Marylin Monroe. Why doesn’t the mainstream see that his wearing the platinum blonde wig and strapping into a halter to give himself cleavage is indeed a piquant homage to Norma Jean? Moreover, why don’t they understand he’s actually satirizing the public’s unquestioning adoration for Hollywood standards? When are the shells going to drop from the ignorant public’s eyes? But no, instead people try to tell him that being a flamboyant asshole isn’t supporting his cause, and he won’t lissen to them.
I think even if everybody who responded to lissener’s OPs did so in total agreement, he’d call them sheep and tell them to grow backbones. Just can’t satisfy some people.
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And gun control, and Verhoeven, and just about any other opinion you pollute a thread with.
You are rude, abrasive, belligerent and abusive when someone has the “audacity” to disagree with you on some subject. Almost without fail.
In short, you’re a boor.
Hey, don’t taint Dutch farmers that way…
What? Oh, a boor. Not a boer.
WHAT THE SHIT?!? Wasn’t pissing on Heinlein’s legacy ONCE enough?
Damnit, why don’t I own any guns?
Uh, yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I did.
I still think the movie is a heaping pile of crap and I am still having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that someone actually liked it!
Just a little advice - don’t write someone on a message board if your skin isn’t thick enough to cope with those who don’t agree with you. It makes you look like a whining baby. Really.
Hey before you guys have a fit about ST2, PV has absolutely nothing to do with it. Check the credits.
Which means that despite the fact that it’s a low-budget, straight-to-video spinoff of a crappy movie, it can only get better.
The posters on that message board say the budget is $6 million. That should make things interesting. The bugs’ll be those plastic spiders from cheap Halloween candy.
- Starship Troopers the movie was mediocre IMO. A failed satire, too full of itself to be worthwhile.
- Starship Troopers the book was a steaming load of excrement, one of the poorest-written novels I’ve ever had the displeasure of wading through. Paper-thin characters acting as mouthpieces for RAH’s absurd philosophies, terribly-written battle scenes, a hackneyed plot even by contemporary standards; all in all, it was incredibly stupid and sloppy. The movie only improved on the book by abandoning it.
- Deep breaths, lissener.
- Knowed Out, nice little depiction of lissener as a contemptible gay stereotype. Just as he shoots his cause in the foot by being abrasive, you shoot criticism of him in the foot by such a display. Criticize him for his behavior, sure; but leave drag queens out of it unless you have a reason to do otherwise.
Daniel
That or the entirety of the “special effects” will be done on someones home PC using Windows Paint.
Ugh.
Oh, and veerhoovin’s an ass.[sub] (Note. Directors name intentionaly misspelled.) [/sub]
Actually, the director owns a special effects company, so I’m not so sure the effects will be that bad.
And this, folks, is why i don’t participate in any movie thread that lissener defiles with his slime. Let him form his own website to discuss movies with other people that only agree 100% with what he says and leave us poor unwashed movie lovers in peace.
I actually thought lissener and Cervaise did a good job vocalizing the argument for Verhoeven’s twisted genius. I would quibble with some minor points, but as a whole I was with him. My opinion that you made a good argument does not excuse this pissy behavior in the least.
If you present a controversial argument in Cafe Society you must be prepared for disagreement. Those who disagreed were polite and did not attack anyone personally. Your choices as far as a potential response are as follows:
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Ignore the comments and continue addressing the posters whose arguments you find to have merits.
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Argue your case to those who disagree with you.
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Start a Pit thread bitching about those who dare disagree with you.
Trust me when I say you chose the worst of the three alternatives.