I won’t be celebrating, but the guy seemed like the epitome of “jerk” as outlawed in the rules. It was, however, interesting to some extent to have someone representing the extremist and cruel end of Zionism to get some perspective on Israel. I do, however, think that “final straw” comment was just a really, really unfunny joke. I came close to responding to it, but I decided he didn’t mean it in the way it came across.
So can we get some clarification on the whole banning process? Because I understand that PaulFitzroy has quite the history here, and I can’t say I’m about to shed tears over his leaving - nevertheless, people have said worse than that in GQ before, and in some cases not even been warned. What warrants a banning, and what warrants yet another warning for those who’ve been warned over and over? Is there a particular policy defining when a “final straw”-comment that wouldn’t warrant banning in other cases is enough to ban a poster with a history?
I think Israeli members like for example **Alessan|/b] would not be very pleased to see the name of this member linked to their country.
Someone who does not live in Israel and comes up with such an imbalanced view as PF often did is in my view not worth to be even considered as coming close to give a perspective of Israel and/or Zionism in general.
I can be wrong in this, but to me he came across as not even being Jewish.
I hate to see people banned, though Paul clearly earned his banning, as documented in the OP. (Kudos to staff for the openness of the new system, by the way!)
Perhaps the great saving grace of this thread is in seeing Aldebaran, of all people, saying, in effect, “Funny, he didn’t look Jewish!”
I’m fairly sure he is Jewish, and I hope I didn’t seem to implicate Israelis or Jews in general by associating him with them, because that wasn’t my intent. I don’t mean to say that Israelis in general share his views because they obviously don’t - however, it does offer some insight into some of the ultra-hardline types who sadly have a disproportionate effect on Israeli policy. (Funny how their fundamentalist Christian pals have the same stranglehold on America.)
I don’t think I read all that much of his postings. From what I read I could not make my mind up if he is Jewish or only some of these “outraged against everything Islamic and Muslim” by nature of wanting to be “outraged against everything Islamic and Muslim”.
I also don’t think he had any direct = life contact with people sharing his views in Israel (maybe online via some website or mailing list.)
Just my impression… Since he is gone now too late to clear the matter up. (Not that I am crying because of this gap in my undersanding of PaulFitzroy.)
Okay, minor hijack – I hope he’s still around to read this.
<B.Aldebaran</B>, I’d like to take a moment to apologize to you for some of the things I’ve said to and about you in the past. I was very wrong about you, and while I don’t agree with many of the positions and stances you take on issues, I also believe you’re a well-spoken guy and a valuable contributor here.
Anyway, I believe in owning up to times when I’m wrong, and I have been wrong about you in the past. So hopefully you’ll see this and accept that opinions of people can change. It just seems the right time of year for turning over a new leaf.
Okay, everybody can go back to trouncing <B>Fitzroy</B> now. I’ve said my piece.
Huh. He seemed little different than a callow version of a couple other well-known Dopers to me, and I don’t think they’ve been banned, at least not yet. Perhaps PF should have kept it in the Pit more often, but this banning comes as something of a surprise. I found his bitter salvos no less asinine than, say, persistant debate over the cogency of Darwinian theory, or the never-ending reams of pedantic scatology put forth with expert sophistry by various cranks in an effort to bend minds into recognizing pseudo-epistemologies and phantom Truths. Despite the abrasiveness of his online personna, it struck me as being no less so than many others I’ve encountered here; and I can say of all of them, PF included, that there were, amidst the heaps of excrement, debatable points. Be it an exercise in futility or no, he touched on most of the same issues the typical GD Doper appears to live to argue about, and simply expressed himself in an unusually unapologetic way. So he was banned for being an asshole and unashamed? Is that all?
Then I do not grok…
or am I putting too much weight to the “is that all?” tag at the end of your post?
Just that, in my mind, that’s a hell of a lot and a perfectly valid reason to ban someone. YMMV I’d wager.
Count me as one who thinks that all this banned person was guilty of was being a Jew preaching in Mecca or an atheist speaker at a Southern Baptist convention. I reviewed all the threads cited and could find nothing extrordinary beyond what I read every day on the boards.
Perhaps samclem might want to explain why he had this to say to **PaulFitzroy ** in this thread cited above.
WITHOUT INSULTING THE POSTER ? I read through this thread twice and couldn’t find any evidence of this banned poster insulting anyone!
Guess what I did find in that thread samclem ? Your wonderfull Jodi insulting the banned poster’s style and making fun of him. Hey, did she get an e-mail ?
And you say “Take a lesson from tomndebb” ? He gives information backed up by reliable sources ? Well I’ll quote him from this same thread
No cite of course and if you and Jodi are appreciative of this “information” to the point that you wish the banned poster could take a lesson from him then I…I…don’t know what to say.
No, he was someone who claimed to be a Jew who advocated total genocide of Muslims. Didn’t you read the first half of the final warning? Read the entire thread. It’s full of twisted hatred worthy of Goebbels.
You will note the moderator admonishions in this thread to click on the “report bad post” link should you see something that should be bannable. There have been previous threads (I believe the one about Zagadka is one) where the mods essentially state, “we can’t read every post. If you see something that should be reported, report it as it’s unlikely that a mod will see it.”
Your argument assumes that the mods see all the posts, which doesn’t appear to be the case.
