It wasn’t clear given that you quoted her directly. Do you care to comment on your silly 300M argument earlier?
If I understand you correctly, and please tell me if I’m wrong, you think it’s ok if only some members of society pay taxes? Some animals are more equal than others?
That’s got to be the least appropriate application of that quote ever. You’d be closer to the mark if you suggested that, because certain people live in mansions while others are on the street, some animals are more equal than others. You’d still be way off base, but closer.
And anyone with a moment’s thought would agree that it’s ok if only some members of society pay taxes. For example, an infant is a member of society but cannot and should not pay taxes. A woman who barely owns the clothes on her back and who has no money should not pay taxes, but is a member of society.
The question is where the line is drawn. In states with sales tax, everyone who purchases goods pays taxes. In states with gas tax, everyone who buys gas pays tax. I’d wager that between sales tax and gas tax, you catch 90%+ of the population, and the remaining 10% would be minors with no money or minors in jurisdictions lacking a sales tax.
Yes, you are understanding me correctly, animals who make 100k a year are, for the purposes of taxation, less equal than animals who make 10k a year. I am full-heartedly and full-throatedly a proponent of a progressive income tax.
Does that help?
How was it silly? 99.99% of the country’s population do not care one whit about your crotch-spawn.
That way lies madness, and is against everything I believe. You are the enemy of a free people.
Fortunately we have you, who would overturn the democratic will of the people, to befriend them and lead them despite themselves to freedom. Onward ye vanguard!
You and Chairman Mao would have a lot to talk about, except that he was leading them to freedom away from a despot, not away from their own democratically elected gvernment.
You are incorrect, there are people who work and get tax credits such that they receive more money than they have ever paid in. The tax system is convoluted and there is no shame in the fact that you don’t understand it, but this is an argument that just won’t fly.
Right, I get that you personally, do not care about my child. I personally don’t care one whit about you–but you are a part of society. You specifically stated that 300M people do not benefit from children, while at the same time saying that the parents, grandparents, etc benefit. I’m just checking your math.
I’m pretty sure I used the phrase “constantly and incessantly bewildered”. Honestly, I don’t understand your viewpoint at all. I make decent money, not spectacular, but decent. I can afford to pay a higher percentage in taxes than someone who makes minimum wage. Why shouldn’t I? Seems fair to me. I’m still bringing home noticeably more money.
Regardless, we’ve hijacked this thread pretty… umm… spectacularly. I’ll read whatever immediate response you have to this post, but I think after that we should go to a new thread either here or in GD if either of us cares enough. I’ll PM you if I start one.
Yes the tyranny of the majority, most of which aren’t paying the taxes, is always a good idea.
What is your stance on the fair tax movement?
While I don’t know the specifics of the “fair tax movement”, I would say that everyone should pay taxes, equally.
Which majority isn’t paying taxes?
The 50%, up from around 44% under Bush, that don’t pay any federal income taxes at all. That’s just crazy.
Really, you don’t have any idea of alternate tax plans? I would think that you as a staunch libertarian would be, at the very least, aware of this movement. How do you define equally, by the way? How would taxes in your world work?
And a part of those 50% receive tax credits–they get money that they never even paid in as a “refund” as part of the EIC. I agree, this is a problem. What is your solution? Also can you address the idea that 300M are imposed upon by my child?
You realize that that number includes people who make no money.
Also, every one of them are “crotch-spawn”
Even today, English words retain their common meaning. So, a tax that applies to everyone equally. Say, a 15% consumption tax, no exemptions.