I don’t get that deduction - I have never had that deduction. You pay less in taxes and take out more, because you have a kid. You have the option of not taking that deduction but you do take it. How is this different than me taking my SS money back?
Oh, that’s right - what you do is OK because it’s for the children. Since I’m old and decrepit, I should just go starve.
OK, that doesn’t even make sense. How can it be the same thing for me to get my SS money back a bit early, as it is for people to raise children on welfare, ADC, food stamps and whatever else the government will give them?
I have three Macs and one PC. He has one work PC. However, certainly no need to create new people since (no matter what you want to believe) there are a lot of people out there that are sick of the way that children are raised these days.
And the record starts a new resolution.
I did - just because society has been making the same mistake (and in the case of the amount of money thrown at children, that mistake has been growing) for decades doesn’t mean its a good idea.
How is the US NOT a democracy? Explain?
OK, you understand what a democracy is… Again: How is the US NOT a democracy?
From Wikipedia:
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Which principle is violated?
OK, hehe. Well, the society collectively makes a mistake. You have a right to hold that opinion… too bad for you it’s not relevant.
Whether or not I was a child in the past has zero to do with how I feel about children now. For one thing, when I was a child (no matter what some folks want to believe), we were raised in a way that we learned manners first and went out into public second. And if those manners slipped in public, we were wisked away. Our parents for a most part did not expect that the rest of the world was going to help them raise us, either financially or any other way - they did not subscribe to “it takes a village”. So there really isn’t any reason why I would like the entitled, bratty children of today.
Also, I had no say in whether or not I was born, nor was I involved in any of the decisions in how I was raised or that led to them having three more kids. However, I became an adult and now I would like to be involved in any decisions regarding any children I am required to pay to raise. But, I don’t have that right - I am expected to continue to pay to raise other peoples’ selfish decisions to reproduce. More every year.
I also don’t appreciate the fact that children are forced on me everywhere, yet my personal selfish decision - dogs - are restricted more every year. I am required to help raise those kids, put up with their screaming in restaurants and you all can have as many as you want (whether you can afford them or not), and at the same time I am taxed just for owning dogs and face heavy restrictions on how many I can have and where they can go.
There are also people who didn’t like children when they were children themselves - I don’t know if that is true of me since I don’t remember my childhood. But it also shows that just because someone was once a child doesn’t mean they will automatically love or even like children now.
Eh, these days the line between child and parent is so blurred it’s hard to say. Hardcore child haters have separate terms for parents who actually care to raise their kids (they are just “parents”) and those who just turn them loose on the world - those are “breeders”. But it seems to me that even “parents” share too many irrational ideas about children. Such as all of those who voted to support Prop 8 because it was “the best thing for the children”. Or all the ones who want us to keep pouring even more money into our school system even tho it’s a piece of shit. So I guess the line between parent and breeder is getting more blurred every year too!
I don’t know if that is my biggest gripe, or if it is having no real way to get away from their noise and destruction. I did notice that they seemed to be better behaved in Missouri this past week, but there were still screaming (literally) brats to be had there. However, it could be that it would be easier for me to put up with brats if I wasn’t paying out so much to support child centered programs. Dunno - I’d like to find out! 
I would never love kids and probably wouldn’t like them, no matter what, since apparently I wasn’t born with any maternal instincts. I’ve never gone ‘awwww kyute’ over a baby or felt any need to interact with them. Over the years I’ve gone from no real opinion on them to resenting pressure from my family to have kids to feeling a need to defend myself from the whole thing.
Sure it does. You’re not contributing to your own survival. That’s your logic, by the way; not mine.
You don’t have to like it…you just have to do it. And you did when you were self-supporting. Your husband has to contribute for you now, poor guy. Hmmmm… I wonder if he’s complaining about it on another board.
Hey! Maybe there’s a job in politics for you! The Don’t Touch My Stuff party! Why don’t you toss that out at the next board meeting and see if it sticks!
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Read for comphrension, if that’s possible. A person taking care of his/her spouse and children does not equal said family members taking advantage of the caregiver.
It rocks. I did it frequently and without incident.
I guess that means you’ll be taking a pass on social security, huh? And you’ll picket those damn state colleges that all those SpongeBob adults attend, huh? And just give a drive-by sneer to those saps who get hit with natural disasters, huh? Right on! You personify patriotism!
But you’re not disabled or you’d be collecting that welfare check. I know plenty of people with parking permits who work. I also know people who are collecting disability checks for things like fibromyalgia, which is almost impossible to prove (and frequently used in scams). Why do you suppose you aren’t collecting your welfare check? Could it be a big government conspiracy designed to punish you because you are childless? Yeah, That must be it.
No, the only reason I don’t approve is because you are doing exactly what children do and are clueless to the fact that you’re a social sponge.
Well then you’re a liar, too.
So what? They haven’t broken any rules, and even if they have, it’s not up to you to decide when they have. Your opinion doesn’t count. These decisions are left to those who understand how we all benefit from social programs. People who “get it.”
Until you work every day of your life, you have no room to complain. Right now you aren’t working. By *your own *standards, you are no better than any other unemployed person.
By your own admission you’ve collected welfare from the state and you’re trying to convince the government that you are incapable of working now. You don’t like to call it welfare, because it would put you in the same class as “those people” you hate so much. You were a child who benefitted from social programs like public school, roads and highways, parks, and all the other perks that go with a society that embraces taxing citizens for the betterment of the collective. By your own admission, you sponged off the system for the first 13 years of your life. You were underemployed during your teens (subsidized by your parents and all those benefits you got while your parents carried you (and paid taxes)) and now you’re trying to convince the government that you just can’t work. They don’t believe you…why should we?
It’s you with the rigid ideas…not me. It’s ok for YOU to get benefits but not for people who really need it? So you live on a tight budget. Big deal. So does most of the world. Get over it and accept your lot in life. You’re not starving and you have a roof over your head.
No, this is you looking at your own logic and saying, “Jeeez…I really am a bitter idiot, aren’t I?”
I’m talking about “officially disabled” in the “I’m going to collect a welfare check” sense. Are you classified as “sedentary?” If not, you will probably not be able to collect that welfare check.
And yet you’ve provided no cite at all. Oh, right…Your BIAS is your cite. Got it.
Then your parents were out of touch and made their jobs infinitely harder (and less effective). The rest of us understand that childhood is a learning process. We generally don’t lock our children up. If your parents paid taxes and partook in things like…I dunno…DRINKING WATER, they were supporters of the Village. You can’t NOT be. It is only your warped interpretation of the phrase that makes you think otherwise.
Jeeez…that last time I heard the bolded phrase was when my 13 year old son was bitching because he had to take the garbage out. :rolleyes:
Hey clueless…you ARE involved in tax decisions. You’ve been voted down. I derive much joy from this fact.
Waaaaaah! Call me a waaaaaambulance!
How convenient that you forget all those years you sapped the system!
But children usually grow up & get a clue. It’s too late for curlcoat; she has nowhere to go but down.
Children & other people can actually be charming members of society without working. curlcoat has only her husband to charm. (Is he “forced” to work such long hours that he has little time for the little woman? Quite understandable.)
You keep saying that, but unemployment is, what, 5%? 10%? And even this figure is only the number of people unemployed at this current moment, and most of them get jobs after some time. The number of people who never work is ridiculously low.
For you, the glass is not half empty, it is completely empty. In fact, the empty glass is broken, and the pieces have cut up your leg.
You demean people, you demean children, you are a bitter old hag.
Everyone who pays taxes–you included–gets a standard deduction.
I am also still waiting for you to tell me how I take out more?
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Can you explain how you get taxed for owning a dog? That’s absurd.
And, if I recall upthread, you said some (if not all) of these dogs are service dogs. Which, by the way ARE TAX DEDUCATBLE. So, by your logic, I’m paying for your dog, right?
And please explain what “heavy” restrictions there are on service dogs. Where I live, they are allowed on all public transport and in all stores and businesses by law. I’ve seen them on the subway, on the bus, on an elevator in the building I work at, and in the coffee shop I get my pastry in the morning. I have seen no evidence where I live. Can you provide a cite where it shows service dogs are prohibited from going anywhere in your neighborhood?
If you’re talking about non-service dogs, then my point’s moot.