Great. You’re arguing against a position no one in this thread holds. Is that because you like to hear yourself talk, or are you just too stupid to actually comprehend what other people are saying?
Oh, wait, you already answered that question:
Fucking moron.
milroyj, you’re a douche.
I can’t help but be amused by all the non-diabetics insisting that no one has ever injected near them, not no way, not no how, and the actual diabetics & their loved ones calmly, repeatedly tell us that they do it discreetly so that no one will fucking see it.
To the former group, I would like to offer to sell you this rock. It keeps bears away. I’ve had it for ten years now, and nary a bear has approached me.
Kalhoun, put down the thread. Make an apology to Hentor and mumble something about not enough sleep, painkillers, Paula Abdul, and a bad day at work.
I muttered something about Paula Abdul last night and Ms. D_Odds slapped me.
Everyone keeps countering my statements with overblown exaggerations of the issue! Oh, the TOES falling off! Noncompliance! No one is saying this kid needs to be noncompliant in order to observe simple manners. Robbing him of his childhood! Get the child abuse authorities! He’s being forced to observe simple social etiquette! AND AT NO RISK TO HIS HEALTH!!!
I have no idea where you people get off implying I said any of those things. You are stretching the issue to the point where it no longer resembles what we’re talking about here.
Simply stated, it is rude and unnecessary to inject in full view of diners in a restaurant. The dirty bathroom argument is weak, at best. Not all bathrooms are cesspools of filth. If the bathroom was a real shit hole, then of course, you’d make an exception. The risk of infection while injecting in a regularly maintained bathroom is probably much less than the risk of picking something off improperly washed silverware. BUT LET’S JUST PRETEND I SUGGESTED A SCENE FROM TRAINSPOTTING SO YOU CAN ALL FEEL SUPERIOR.
I am not saying anyone should be confronted in a restaurant for being rude. I don’t know where you were going with that, but it certainly had nothing to do with anything I’ve said. This is a discussion about a hypothetical incident; not a face-to-face ass-chewing.
I’ll leave you all to attribute more things to me that I never said.
Troy, your post gave me warm fuzzies and I’m not really that kind of girl. And if you tell him again how awful he is, well, I might be moved to have your babies.
I personally have no problem with bears; they run away when they see the syringe. Bear free since 1988! And I’m loving it. Although I must confess I’m kind of confused when I see them in restaurants.
You mean like minding your own goddamned fuckwitted business?
I’m gonna go ahead and beleive Cecil over you. And anyway, who’s going to judge the level of cleanliness for a bathroom? I’m gonna leave that to the people who are, y’know, involved.
Then what is your fixation with our taking it to the bathroom, if not to hide? Hide, but don’t be ashamed? Is that your advice to me?
Others have pointed out both the faulty logic and the factual inaccuracy of this. It still comes back to talking out of your ass.
Don’t hide, just don’t do it so that anyone can see. But don’t be ashamed!
At this point, I think I’ve made clear the procedure we use. Others indicated that they use essentially similar procedures. It sounds like we do a little less on our laps and more on the table. Perhaps this is a function of our doing it for a child versus for ourselves.
I’ve probably clarified this four times since. I corrected MGibson, who wondered why we needed to do it “moments before” by saying moments after. I’ve pointed out that there is a time window that is medically driven, which may last up to about 10 minutes, and a time window that is driven by the information available to us at the table regarding food amounts. Whether you like the word moments or not for the window between the point at which my son finishes eating and a maximum of approximately 10 minutes, this still has no bearing on my refusal to take him to the bathroom to give him a shot. I can’t say it any clearer, and saying it repeatedly hasn’t made a dent. You’re just that thick.
Your point is confused. Your sources of information are suspect. You’re a shithead.
I appreciate those who say, “Take good care of your child, however you need to.” I respect others who say “Hey, I wouldn’t like it, but do what you have to do.” You’re just really dumb, and not worth worrying about.
Do you eat in a bathroom? Most people I know consider eating in a bathroom to be really gross - even in a clean bathroom - and particularly a public bathroom. The company I work for keeps their bathrooms amazingly clean (we do clean room work and the whole building is remarkably clean. We employ a small army worth of a custodial staff that is always working) and our Environmental Health and Safety folks sent out a note about not eating in the bathroom (apparently, some people aren’t squeemish about this). The overall feeling from my coworkers was disgust that anyone would need to be told not to eat in a bathroom - even our nice sparkly ones.
Let me put it in terms you can understand. I’m sure you don’t fuck on the table in a restaurant, but you’re not ashamed of sex. Can you see the point I’m making? It has nothing to do with shame. IT HAS TO DO WITH MANNERS. NOT SHAME. NOT SHAME. NOT SHAME. Get it?
And yet you refuse to acknowledge that I in fact acknowledged that you clarified your procedure. I also said that if people can’t see it, it isn’t offensive. If they can, it is. I’ve said that a number of times, but you and your supporters don’t seem to be able to read that.
You don’t need to say it any clearer. I understand what you’re saying. The point I’ve been making all along is that it isn’t necessary to do it at the table. You have chosen to. And that is rude. Simple.
And you’re a stupid piece of shit with no consideration for others. Have at it, asshole.
Kalhoun…
ass - head = possibility of not being such a jackass. Try it.
Read the fucking responses. If not at the table, where? Are you still insisting that minor medical procedures be performed next to people shitting, despite several cites detailing how nasty even the cleanest bathrooms are?
No-he is insisting that this procedure be done away from his line of sight, so that his sensibilities are not offended by the vision of a sterile medical devise being used the way it is intended. He would prefer it to be done in an area that while putting the sufferer at a higher risk of infection, at least lets him continue to consume his chocolate mousse without what exactly? I get lost about here…
I only bring up toes and gangrene etc because they are the DIRECT result of not maintaining tight control of diabetes. Will Hentot’s toes fall off right there in the restaurant? Of course not–although I am sure, Kalhoun , that you would catisgate him for such a lack of courtesy if that did happen. The whole POINT of injecting and testing in a public place is to PREVENT such nasty sequela of this disease. This kid will have to live his life–a full one, God willing–and that includes treating his condition in public, discreetly. How hard is this to understand?
And I truly hope that nothing like the above mentioned effects ever occur to Hentot (hope you don’t mind that I played with your name, Hentor ).
Pardon me but the producers of several stage productions of The Wizard of Oz are clamoring to know what has become of all their Scarecrows.
How the fuck is it up to you to decide how best to treat his child’s life threatening illness? I could understand the staggering arogance of such an attitude if you had somewhere in this thread displayed the slightest hint of knowledge, insight, or even basic human empathy. Instead, you misread teh entire point of the thread to make shrill accusations at Hentor for something he’s not even doing, based on your own cock-eyed and profoundly ignorant knowledge of diabetes and basic courtesy.
In short, you’re a loud-mouthed idiot who doesn’t have the sense to shut the fuck up after repeatedly having your ass handed to you by your betters. Good lord, doesn’t it even remotely worry you that, at this point, the only person who agrees with you is fuckin’ milroyj? Is that not sufficient evidence that you are arguing from an entirely bankrupt position? What further proof that your full of shit could you possibly need? A choir of angels? A tightbeam radio message from a hyper-advanced alien civilization in the Andormeda galazy? How about just a crowbar to remove your fat head from your tight ass? Tell me what it’ll take to get you to stop flapping your gob like a Hungry Hungry Hippo, 'cause I’m more than happy to supply it.
(Sniffs) Miller, that was beautiful man.
Excellent speech! Mind if I occasionally plagiarize some of it? A masterpiece. Good on ya Miller!
Kalhoun, what is your problem? You’re not usually this pig-headed about a topic.
Simplification: Monitoring and injecting is part of eating for diabetics. The two things just go together, always and forever.
A couple of weeks ago I saw a woman do her whole routine at a Red Robin. All very matter of fact–test, calculate what she needed, lift skirt slightly, poke thigh, smooth skirt. All while reading the menu and thanking the waiter for bringing her ice tea.
Why did I notice this? Very simple–I’m a nosy bint and I have no manners. Why did I pay attention after noticing? Because my paternal great-grandmother (Type I), paternal grandfather (Type I) and my dad (Type II) were/are diabetic. I worry that I’m next. I admire people controlling the disease to the extent that they can rather than letting it steal their lives.
Because I have a co-worker who just lost his leg and has been on dialysis for 8 years. Because I have another co-worker that has a 6-year old daughter who was diagnosed last year–for the rest of her life she will have to always be aware of her levels of physical activity, food and fluid intake and outgo; she has to monitor on a regular schedule, eat when appropriate and what is appropriate. She has to do this at home, at school, where ever she is…including at resturants. As if she isn’t inconvenienced enough by the disease, you want her to further be inconvenienced so that people she doesn’t even know can be relieved of their responsibility to mind their own business.
She’s only 5 and it hurts my heart to think of her and Hentor’s boy having to deal with this every day. It’s a pretty big burden and I’m not sure why the possible discomfort of a nosy stranger should trump the requirements of the diabetic.
I’m surrounded by diabetics (you–all of you!–are too) and I know they go through a routine. Several people I work with have recently been diagosed Type II. For the most part, I can’t tell you the details of an individual’s routine because they are discreet and I don’t pay that much attention, but I know they all test at work.
Also, do you really want to walk into the ladies’ room and see a mom trying to cope with her three kids while going through the whole diabetes routine? Wouldn’t it just be easier to ignore what’s going on at the other tables unless it affects you in some way?
What Hentor described in his OP was not bad manners, even before the subsequent clarifications for the benefit of obtuse posters. Staring at someone else’s table is. If you are only glancing at the table, you’re not likely to see more than one part of the routine as the whole thing takes very little time–probably less time than hauling the kid to the restroom.
And finally, Kalhoun, I think that the fact that you don’t notice people doing this while you’re out to eat is indicative that most diabetics are discreet when doing their routine, rather than indicating that most diabetics are testing and injecting in the restrooms.
I think kalhoun eating is disgusting, and therefore expect kalhoun to never go to a restaurant again unless he/she restricts his/her eating to the restrooms. Thankyou.
Oh and I am a non diabetic who has seen several diabetics ‘shoot up’ in restaurants, and found that behaviour far less obtrusive or annoying than most peoples dining manners.
Something I find interesting is that in numerous threads we discuss the word gip, niggardly, or oriental, and it seems the consensus is that even if you don’t mean a word to be offensive you have to be considerate that another person would take offence, so to be polite just don’t use the word.
But here we have a large number of posters who are siding with “hey if you don’t like it tough I’m doing it anyway! Live with it!”
My personal position is to make accommodations where I can, and understand that every one won’t agree with the decisions I make. It does not make them insensitive, just different.
You can’t make everyone like every decision, so no need to get your back up about it.
Without starting a debate (I hope) about the appropriateness of using any of those words, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like a consensus on the boards that they shouldn’t be used. Especially “niggardly.”