Pimps and Ho's

Great Debates
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After studying crack cocaine addicted prostitutes for about two years, my research partner (psychotherapist) came up to me one day and said, “You know what, we’re all ho’s, if we work for someone.”

This was about three years ago, and I have had time to reflect upon his statement. Thru observation with biases, I think his statement is correct, but some people may possibly find it debatable.

Although I am quite familiar with black collar street pimps and their tactics in recruiting and maintenance, I am less familiar with white collar pimping, and I am hoping to get feedback from members of this forum.

Street valium is a popular drug for the CCAP to relieve their anxiety caused by insecurity related to their position in life.

Valium is also a popular prescription drug for white collar workers, for various anxiety conditions, of which insecurity is one of these conditions.

Although J. Krishnamurti spent his entire adult life warning people about psychological thoughts of insecurity leading to the condition of sorrow, few, if any, have heeded his warning, including myself.

In the future, will Darwinism prevail, or will Krishnamurtiism prevail? Will there ever be a movie produced with the title “Ho’s Up, Pimp"s Down”? Where would the money come from to produce such a movie?
Have a good day,

jesse

p.s.—I’ll put my money on Darwin, and purchase a few more shares of Hoffman-LaRoche

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Since nobody actually works for me, I guess I’m not a “white collar pimp”, and thus disqualified to comment.

Next!

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That line, We’re all whores if we work for somebody, has a parallel in the sales world. When people scorn salesmen, they always reply - You’re a salesman too, if you have a job, but you were just selling yourself as the product.
You can think that, if it helps you sleep at night after selling hope chests to old widows, but it doesn’t fool the rest of us. We know who’s a salesman and why it’s less dignified that being an up-front, no tricks professor, milkmaid or janitor. And we know what makes someone else a whore and us not whores.

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Darwinism? Darwin vs. Krishnamurti? What in the name of Dionysis does Darwin have to do with this? JDM

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Originally posted by JDM

  1. Darwinism? 2.Darwin vs. Krishnamurti? 3.What in the name of Dionysis does Darwin have to do with this? JDM

  1. Darwin’s other theory (sexual selection theory). Male-male competition for the female, using deception and conspicuous consumption (which requires a white collar job).

  2. Krishnamurti was an asetic, anti 9-5 job, anti attachment (sexual relationship), anti psychological thinking, anarchist, and possibly a freak of nature, or con man.

  3. Competing males get pimped by corporation owners to produce and sell products and services in order to earn more discretionary income to conspicuously spend in order to attract more and better females. Females perceive better male competitors as being better providers and compete with lesser and better females in order to consume some of the better males discretionary income. Better males mate with better females and produce better offspring. These better males start corporations and stop being ho’s and become pimps. The lesser males mate with the lesser females and produce lesser offspring and remain ho’s. The better offspring of the better parents inherit the corporations and never have to undergo being ho’s. The lesser offspring of the lesser parents inherit nothing and start off and remain ho’s. Opportunist pharmaceutical corporations look at all this and develop anxiolytic drugs to sell to the ho’s and the lesser females. Egualitarian quixotic liberal social scientists look at all this and try to fix it with spread the wealth social programs. Krishnamurtians look at all this and advocate asceticism. Darwinians look at all this and smile, unless they are ho’s, or lesser females.
    jesse

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Yo man, da low time street slidin’ parkin’ lot pimpin’ fools just be askin’ for that long time haul in da joint. A smooth hustler gonna have a discreet buisness, ya heard? Pagers and beautiful ho’s workin’ wit a mutha fucka on a private tip yo. These modern pimps gotta work it tight. Benefits and shit. None a dat standin’ on the corner shit for a true playa’s stable.
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DaLovin’ Dj

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Does being bitch-slapped by my boss for getting the report done late qualify?

Ho’s up, pimp’s down for a change!

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You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

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We’re not all 'ho’s if we work for someone. We’re 'ho’s if we are in a job that we cannot quit for fear of criminal reprisal. We’re 'ho’s if we cannot set limits concerning what we will or will not do for our employer.

In my work, for example, I perform a skilled, rare (I’m one of two in the entire state) and expensive task. When a job cannot be completed within pre-set limits, I refuse it with no reprisal. If this agreement is not honored, my employer knows I will quit and he will have a difficult time replacing me. I’m not a ‘ho’.

Can you quit your job without getting bitch-slapped? Are there limits to what you can be ordered to do in your job? If yes, you’re a trader, not a ‘ho’.

Now if you like to think of yourself as a ‘ho’ (and many do) go ahead. But don’t tell the rest of us free traders that we’re under the streetlamp with you.

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Quoting Wildcard

That line, We’re all whores if we work for somebody, has a parallel in the sales world. When people scorn salesmen, they always reply - You’re a salesman too, if you have a job, but you were just selling yourself as the product.
You can think that, if it helps you sleep at night after selling hope chests to old widows, but it doesn’t fool the rest of us. We know who’s a salesman and why it’s less dignified that being an up-front, no tricks professor, milkmaid or janitor. And we know what makes someone else a whore and us not whores.

emphasis mine

Hode de fone there Wildcard

IANAS(alesman), but

There is no less dignity in being a salesman than in being a professor or in any other job. You are using a very broad brush. There are slimy people in every walk of life. It’s also inaccurate to compare a generic salesman to an “up-front, no tricks professor”. Compare apples to apples. How about a generic saleman to a generic professor?

I will concede that the job of “salesman” attracts more slimeballs than does that of “professor”, but there are a number of reasons for that, which are irrelevant here.

There are however, some professors slimier than some salemen, and vice versa.

Everyone does sell a product in their jobs, lives, and relationships.

Tell me that:
A researcher doesn’t sell his efforts to the fundholders for more funding.
The president doesn’t sell his war in Afghanistan to the people.
You don’t sell your desire to go to the game rather than stay home with the Mrs.

You’re confusing selling with manipulation. Selling is promoting goods, services, or anything of value to the recipient. Manipulation (or more accurately, manipulative selling) is promoting something, not in the best interests of the buyer.

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<Ahem>!

Any theory that posits that “everyone” does anything at all in order to “earn more discretionary income to conspicuously spend in order to attract more and better females” would seem to have an awfully limited notion of who is included in “everyone”.

Especially, come to think of it, being a “ho”!

::saunters to corner occupied by fishnet-clad females who are known for being female as their current profession::

Moving right along…

I have been a ho many times in the past, and I have never felt more like one than when I am job-seeking; but I am not currently a ho, since I love what I do (FileMaker programming) quite aside from getting paid for it, and when work is slow I spend the whole damn day reading the SDMB!